Manyshot + Rapid Shot

[Gruns]

Simple question, does Manyshot "stack" with Rapid Shot?
For example, do you get 4 arrows when you Rapid Shot? If so, at what negative modifier to hit? Is my math correct? (Assume all Dex + Base Attack + etc modifiers taken into account.) Manyshot seems to have a few disadvantages to Rapid Shot, but I dont see ANY advantage over Rapid Shot other than it's a Standard action...
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Single bow shot: +10 (1d8)
Rapid Shot: +8/+8 (1d8/1d8)
Manyshot: +6 (1d8x2)
Rapid Shot + Manyshot: +0/+0 (1d8x2/1d8x2)
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Is that right? Can't be... I just dont see the point of Manyshot...
Thanks for answers!
Gruns

 

[Henrix]

Manyshot is a standard action, meaning that it

• cannot be used with rapid shot (full round action)
• can be used while moving, or other move actions

Many consider it a feat not worth taking, unless you're a ranger who gets it for free, in which case it is nice, and usable from time to time.

 

[Silveras]

The value depends on the situation, of course. Sometimes, multiple arrows on a single shot are very helpful.

BAB         Full Attack      Rapid S.         Many S
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+1-+5      1 shot @-0     2 shots @-2      X
+6-+10    1 shot @-0     2 shots @-2      1 shot 2 arrows @-4 + move
              1 shot @-5     1 shot  @-7
+11-+15   1 shot @-0     2 shots @-2     1 shot 3 arrows @-6 + move
              1 shot @-5     1 shot @-7
              1 shot @-10   1 shot @-12
+16+       1 shot @-0     2 shots @-2      1 shot 4 arrows @-8 + move
              1 shot @-5     1 shot @-7       
              1 shot @-10   1 shot @-12
              1 shot @-15   1 shot @-17

At BAB +6 to +10, the trade-off is all about being able to shoot and move; the regular Full Attack is likely to hit only on the first attack, and Rapid Shot is unlikely to hit on the last -- while Manyshot is taking a chance on all-or-nothing, but also gets to move.

At BAB +11 and above, though, the progressive penalties of Rapid Shot and regular Full Attack no longer outweigh the hefty penalty of Manyshot. This is more obvious at BAB 16+. Against creatures with low ACs and lots of hit points, the archer who can peg it with 3 or 4 arrows with fair certainty AND MOVE is better off than one who can stand still and be less certain of landing as many arrows.

 

[Victim]

Manyshot also works well with Shot on the Run.

 

[Scion]

Manyshot also works well with Shot on the Run.

Unfortunately (?) it doesnt.

SRD:
When using the attack action with a ranged weapon

It takes a standard action for many shot, not the attack action.

 

[Al'Kelhar]

Unfortunately (?) it doesnt.

SRD:
When using the attack action with a ranged weapon

It takes a standard action for many shot, not the attack action.

An attack action is a form of standard action. You can use Many Shot with Shot on the Run. You cannot use Many Shot with the Full Attack action; you must use Rapid Shot with the Full Attack action; you cannot therefore use Many Shot and Rapid Shot at the same time.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

 

[Scion]

you might want to check this out

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101999


no shot on the run + manyshot

 

[0-hr]

Many consider it a feat not worth taking, unless you're a ranger who gets it for free, in which case it is nice, and usable from time to time.

Wierd, I use it all the time and think it is extremely valuable. I guess I find myself needing to move (or draw my bow, or stand up, etc. etc.) more than most people.

 

[dagger]

We use Shot on the Run with Manyshot as well, I mean thats the way it reads to us as well. *shrug*

 

[Thanee]

Manyshot is not an attack action (it's a standard action) and therefore cannot be used with Shot on the Run (officially).

Bye
Thanee