[Merged] Hackmaster reviews?

[Breakdaddy]

I think there is no harm done as long as the review states that its not D20 or 3E compliant. After all it IS AD&D, so why not??

 

[Darkness]

Well, obviously you ignored the the bits that CH pointed out that clearly label the game D&D.

Kenzer's marketing blurb... So what? What's the game itself like, though? That's the important question...

 

[Psion]

I think there is no harm done as long as the review states that its not D20 or 3E compliant. After all it IS AD&D, so why not??

So, what are you going to do when the HM fans put products on the "d20 top 20 list" and don't read the review? A lot of people only look at ratings and don't dive into the reviews (as much as I wish it weren't so.) When those people buy a product they think is d20 -- because we told them it is -- then harm is, indeed, done.

 

[Psion]

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[ColonelHardisson]

Now this gets my ire. Like I said, if it gets down to splitting that hair, Everquest can go AFAIC.

Hackmaster has no excuse to be included. The SRD is MUCH more a reason to be included that some "based on" statement.

No need for ire. I conceded.

 

[Celestian]

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[Furn_Darkside]

As of 5pm (Eastern Time)- I sent this to Kenzer & Company "General Inquiry" contact form:

Salutations,

I recently added the Hackmaster items to the Enworld review database. This would make them open for reviews on the site.

It has caused a bit of situation due to them not being d20 products.

It has been decided to delete the HackMaster entries in a week.

I invite you to get involved in the discussion at the Enworld forums to argue against it.

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23492

Thank you
FD

 

[Celestian]

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[KnowTheToe]

So, what are you going to do when the HM fans put products on the "d20 top 20 list"

Like that is going to happen?

I would like to say, I went the their website to learn more about the product. The webiste really bites, I could not get any info on the basic structure of the rules system and the $40 price tag for an unknown produt really scared me.

Is there anyplace to pick up a used copy?

 

[Celestian]

No, it's not. It bears no D&D logo. "Based on" =/= "is."

It has no interoperability (short of some serious hammering) with 3e or any other d20 product. Unlike Everquest.

Having a LOGO != D&D either. The rules are what make it D&D.

Further, people who play it are largely people who disdain 3e and/or d20. I fear the same sort of schenanigans that poison so many of the d20 reviews over on RPGnet if you open that door.

Heh, major assumption. I can just as easily say that your reviews are rarely accurate but thats an opinion.

Sure, some HM people do not like 3e, but there are also some that do. Some of us play both and convert both to both. However, what a player likes and dislikes has anything to do with the reviews over HM and not 3e are beyond me.