Meta-magic feats and Meta-magic reductions from classes...

DM-Rocco

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What PrC classes give Meta-magic feats and Meta-magic reductions from class abilities. Example, the Incantrix class, over ten levels, gives you 3 (I think, maybe 4) bonus meta-magic feats and at 10th level a 1 point reduction in the level adjustment of meta-magic feats.

I am thinking of making a Wizard or a Sorcerer and would love to have a ton of meta-magic feats and of course a serious reduction in the level increase in the use of those feats, so the incantrix PrC rocks to that end.

Is there a feat somewhere that gives you the reduction without having to take ten levels in a PrC?
 

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Crothian said:
There is a feat in PHB 2
Holy mother of God, post much? :p

I don't even think Hyper-Smurf has that many :)

Anyway, thanks, I just got the PHBII and haven't given it a good scanning yet. I did page through it, but I must have missed that one. I'll check that one out when I get home.

I know there were a few other classes that did the samething, but I forgot which ones they were, but the feat is a very good start.

See, pays to ask :)
 

DM-Rocco said:
Anyway, thanks, I just got the PHBII and haven't given it a good scanning yet. I did page through it, but I must have missed that one. I'll check that one out when I get home.

It's called Arcane Thesis, applies to one spell only, and all MM effects applied to that spell have their "cost" reduced by 1 level. This feat cannot reduce the level of the base spell, so the spell will always be it's native level at best (ie, fireball will always be at least third level).
 

Vanye said:
It's called Arcane Thesis, applies to one spell only, and all MM effects applied to that spell have their "cost" reduced by 1 level. This feat cannot reduce the level of the base spell, so the spell will always be it's native level at best (ie, fireball will always be at least third level).
Oh, now that you mention it by name, I do recall that feat. Too bad it only applies to one spells though.

So, I know they are out there, what other PrC reduce meta-magic feats for all spells, like the Incantrix ability.

I most likely won't munckin to the point of taking all of them, but I will take Incantrix and maybe squeek in one more reduction from another class. I know there are like two or three other classes for sure, but without pouring through a ton of books I have no clue what they are anymore.

Ideas please?
 

Oh, and what do you guys think of the sudden meta-magic feats? They only apply to once for each time you take it but the ability to not have to prepare it ahead of time sounds huge on the surface.
 

Vanye said:
This feat cannot reduce the level of the base spell, so the spell will always be it's native level at best (ie, fireball will always be at least third level).

Do you have a source on that? It's not in PHB II, and there're no errata for the book yet...?

-Hyp.
 


The Obsidian Evoker

I posted a prestige class that allowed for improved metamagic with evocations, but it was eaten by The Great Crash of 2006. Here it is again, inspired (flavor-wise) by the wizard class of EverQuest I:

The Obsidian Tower rises above a distant volcanic plain, and legend says its dark elf founder raised it straight up from the Underdark. But that elf, Graffë M'yrddin, was not obsessed with the religious genocidal war that grips most of his race, but rather sought to perfect the art of evocation.

To that end, he invited evokers from around the world -- and beyond -- to meet in the tower under a treaty of non-violence, if not actual peace. The Obsidian Tower serves as a salon, library and clubhouse for many of the world's deadliest wizards and sorcerers, each of whom, after proving themselves by surviving the deadly Trial of Nine Fires, trades secrets and works to perfect their craft.

The Obsidian Evokers have, at times, had a friendly rivalry with a similar order of conjurers and have periodically fought bloody wars against an order of druids. Today, though, the Obsidan Tower, host to human, elven, gnome and bullywug wizards, along with more exotic races, sees little conflict other than its members testing ever more destructive spells outside its gleaming walls.

Pre-requisites:
* Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells, one of which must be an evocation
* Feats: Skill Focus (Spellcraft), Spell Focus (Evocation)
* Skills: Concentration: 8 Ranks, Knowledge (Arcana): 8 ranks, Spellcraft: 8 Ranks
* Special: Must survive the Trial of Nine Fires before being admitted to the order

Hit dice: d4
Skills: Concentration (Con), Knowledge (Arcana) (Int), Knowledge (The Planes) (Int), Spellcraft
Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier

Code:
 1 - BAB +0 - FORT +0 - REF +0 - WILL +2 - Evocation Specialist
2 - BAB +1 - FORT +0 - REF +0 - WILL +3 - Quickened Evocations, +1 level of arcane spellcasting class
3 - BAB +1 - FORT +1 - REF +1 - WILL +3 - Widened Evocations, +1 level of arcane spellcasting class
4 - BAB +2 - FORT +1 - REF +1 - WILL +4 - Maximized Evocations, +1 level of arcane spellcasting class
5 - BAB +2 - FORT +1 - REF +1 - WILL +4 - Empowered Evocations, +1 level of arcane spellcasting class

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An obsidian evoker is proficient in the use of the dagger, staff and punching dagger but gains no proficiency with armor.

Evocation Specialist: An obsidian evoker gains the ability to cast an additional evocations spell at every spell level he can cast (or will later be able to cast). His casting level, number of spells known and all other level-dependent effects do not change. These bonus spells are in addition to any granted from being an evoker wizard.

Spells per Day/Spells Known: At every level after the first, an obsidan evoker gains new spell per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class.

Quickened Evocations: An obsidian evoker, if he has the Quicken Spell feat, may apply it to an evocation and the spell will only use up a spell slot three higher than the spell's actual level.

Widened Evocations: An obsidian evoker, if he has the Widen Spell feat, may apply it to an evocation and the spell will only use up a spell slot two higher than the spell's actual level.

Maximized Evocations: An obsidian evoker, if he has the Maximize Spell feat, may apply it to an evocation and the spell will only use up a spell slot two higher than the spell's actual level.

Empowered Evocations: An obsidian evoker, if he has the Empower Spell feat, may apply it to an evocation and the spell will only use up a spell slot one higher than the spell's actual level.
 


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