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[Caliban]

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I asked you "Are you saying that you are refusing to practice appropriate behavior?"

You didn't answer.

I'm sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question.

No, I'm not refusing to practice appropriate behavior. I have a long history of practicing appropriate forum behavior (sometimes I fail, but for the most part I manage). I also have a history of questioning what I consider to be innapropriate forum behavior.

So did I.

So I see. And I answered it.

No, it's not that. But you are certainly not encouraging me to act appropriately by taking on your tone. Therefore, you are not encouraging appropriate behavior. Thus, my question.

I'm sorry if I did not recognize the new kindler, gentler you.

Maybe you should try harder, perhaps by avoiding phrases like "Your running your mouth". That phrase doesn't strike me as particularly appropriate forum behavior, which is why I asked you the question.

Perhaps if you gave us some warning before you try and act appropriately, we can be better prepared to recognize it in the future.

Treat others as you would have them treat you. That's what I've been doing these past few days.

But not previous to that, apparently?

So perhaps some others are still treating you as you have treated them, until they realize that the way you are treating them has changed?

I don't expect anything to turn around instantaneously, but the refusal to make the effort certainly wasn't what I expected, and I highly doubt that refusal would be appreciated in the eyes of the moderators.

What refusal are you referring to? Making false accusations could be seen as innapropriate forum behavior.

Like I said, I'm making an effort, but I'm only 1/2 of that effort. You're the other half, thus my question.

So I'm the only other person who influences your behavior, other than yourself? Sir, you attribute far greater influence to my actions than I deserve. Surely the other posters in the forum would be part of the equation as well.

 

[Caliban]

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You know, your post was less hostile before you put this in after the fact.

I'm not upset. I haven't pulled out any "kreynolds'isms". I'm holding a discussion with you. Why are you trying to discourage me from holding a proper conversation with you?

That was a question you yourself asked me on a previous occasion. Treat others as you would be treated, and all that.

 

[kreynolds]

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Treat others as you would be treated, and all that.

Then you are, in fact, discouraging appropriate forum behavior. How can you expect me to behave appropriately if you yourself will not?

 

[Caliban]

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Then you are, in fact, discouraging appropriate forum behavior. How can you expect me to behave appropriately if you yourself will not?

How am I discouraging it? Are you saying that was an inappropriate question on your part when you asked it of me?

Or are you saying that it is inappropriate for me to treat you as you have treated me?

 

[Taren Seeker]

Wow, this has turned into some sort of rules lawyer discussion on ettiquete.

Surreal.

 

[Caliban]

Wow, this has turned into some sort of rules lawyer discussion on ettiquete.

Surreal.

Fun, isn't it?

 

[kreynolds]

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I'm sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question.

No biggie. Thanks for answering.

I'm sorry if I did not recognize the new kindler, gentler you.

Maybe you should try harder, perhaps by avoiding phrases like "Your running your mouth". That phrase doesn't strike me as particularly appropriate forum behavior, which is why I asked you the question.

I was behaving appropriately from the onset of this thread, and several others as well over the last week. My behavior shifted from that of polite to defensive when Iku Rex shot off with an instigative comment. I didn't thrash him either. I simply pointed out that it was his choice to either try to be civil or "run his mouth". It was a statement of fact, not an insult.

Perhaps if you gave us some warning before you try and act appropriately, we can be better prepared to recognize it in the future.

You didn't recognize appropriate behavior? Well, who's fault is that? Mine or yours? If anything, it was probably nothing more than a small oversight on your part, and if that's the case, no big deal.

But not previous to that, apparently?

See second answer.

So perhaps some others are still treating you as you have treated them, until they realize that the way you are treating them has changed?

First of all, the way I have been behaving has changed, and like I said, it's only been about a week, so I don't expect an immediate change at all. However, using my past poor behavior as a means to justify one's own poor behavior is not an excuse. That discourages civil conversation.

What refusal are you referring to?

I asked you a question. You didn't answer me. By not answering, it appeared to be a refusal, which is why I asked if you were refusing, for clarification.

Making false accusations could be seen as innapropriate forum behavior.

I made no assumption. I was seeking clarification.

So I'm the only other person who influences your behavior, other than yourself?

Not exactly. You do, however, influence those around you, just as I influence those around me. If you partake in poor behavior, you influence those around you to do the same. Like I said, I can only make so much of the effort. At some point, the effort has to be made by you, and others, as well.

Surely the other posters in the forum would be part of the equation as well.

Absolutely. However, currently, you and I are the only ones involved in this discussion about behavior, which is why I have been specifically addressing you.

 

[Caliban]

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I was behaving appropriately from the onset of this thread, and several others as well over the last week. My behavior shifted from that of polite to defensive when Iku Rex shot off with an instigative comment. I didn't thrash him either. I simply pointed out that it was his choice to either try to be civil or "run his mouth". It was a statement of fact, not an insult.

Actually, that phrasing has a very adversarial tone, and denotes a superior addressing an inferior. So you were both stating a fact, and insulting him in an overt manner at the same time. (Or so it seemed to me.) That is what caused me to comment upon it. And that's the honest truth.

You didn't recognize appropriate behavior? Well, who's fault is that? Mine or yours? If anything, it was probably nothing more than a small oversight on your part, and if that's the case, no big deal.

See previous answer.

 

[kreynolds]

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How am I discouraging it? Are you saying that was an inappropriate question on your part when you asked it of me?

Or are you saying that it is inappropriate for me to treat you as you have treated me?

You answered all of your own questions. You are discouraging appropriate forum behavior by refusing to practice it with me (which you have sense clarified by answering my question), when it is quite obvious that I am attempting to practice it with you, by holding a civil conversation with you.

If you simply use my past behavior as an excuse to continue to participate in inappropriate behavior, when it is quite obvious I am attempting to be civil with you, then you are in fact discouraging civility for the sake of...well, I can't really think of a better word than..."revenge", or maybe "justice", or to "get even".

Like I said, it works both ways. Treat others as you would have them treat you. I've been polite with you thus far. Not too shabby.

EDIT: I confused "civil" with a car.

 

[kreynolds]

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Actually, that phrasing has a very adversarial tone, and denotes a superior addressing an inferior. So you were both stating a fact, and insulting him in an overt manner at the same time. (Or so it seemed to me.) That is what caused me to comment upon it. And that's the honest truth.

I can accept that. But I assure you, I harbored no intentions to insult him. I was just pointing out the facts; civility or no-civility. I left the choice up to him.