Metamagic

[Khelvan]

How much damage does an empowered maximized Fireball cast by an 15 Level caster?

Any Advice welcome.

Khelvan

 

[dontpunkme]

90 points on a failed save and 45 on a passed save. 10d6 (maximized=60) X 1.5 (empowered) = 90. Fireballs do max 1d6 per caster level to a maximum of 10d6.

 

[moritheil]

90 points on a failed save and 45 on a passed save. 10d6 (maximized=60) X 1.5 (empowered) = 90. Fireballs do max 1d6 per caster level to a maximum of 10d6.

You don't maximize the empowered part. You roll for it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Right. So it's 60, plus half of what you roll on 10d6.

-Hyp.

 

[green slime]

Right. So it's 60, plus half of what you roll on 10d6.

-Hyp.

So thats 62.5 - 90 hp fire damage, Reflex save (DC 13 + Caster's stat mod)) for half. For an 8th level slot.

I wonder who thinks that that is a good idea?

 

[Folly]

So thats 62.5 - 90 hp fire damage, Reflex save (DC 13 + Caster's stat mod)) for half. For an 8th level slot.

I wonder who thinks that that is a good idea?

The only times that I see maximize and empower on the same spell is when it doesn't modify the spell level. For example, a wizard I play with likes to blast of flame with a rod of empower and then use sudden maximize.

 

[Corsair]

I wonder who thinks that that is a good idea?

The more general questions should be:

If you're going to metamagic a spell, why did you pick maximize?

If you're going to cast a spell, why are you choosing to just do straight HP damage when there are usually better options?

 

[jaelis]

You don't maximize the empowered part. You roll for it.

Note that, according to the FAQ, other metamagic feats do stack. (So a maximized twinned spell would do double max damage.) That makes the empower/maximize combo a special exception.

If you choose to use the FAQ ruling.

 

[Jhaelen]

Note that, according to the FAQ, other metamagic feats do stack. (So a maximized twinned spell would do double max damage.) That makes the empower/maximize combo a special exception.

Not exactly. Just nitpicking, but empower and maximize ARE stacking: If they didn't only the maximize would apply since it would overlap the empower effect. They are just both applied to the basic effect of the spell.

 

[moritheil]

Note that, according to the FAQ, other metamagic feats do stack. (So a maximized twinned spell would do double max damage.) That makes the empower/maximize combo a special exception.

If you choose to use the FAQ ruling.

Indeed, if that is how you roll.