Minion Fist Fights

[Korgoth]

When minions get in fist fights with one another... do they all just die? I'm being serious.

 

[ShinRyuuBR]

Being minion is relative ONLY to the PCs, NOT to each other. A DM designates certain enemies as minions against the PCs so he doesn't have to keep track of their HP. Your point is interesting because a PC could dominate a minion into attack another. I don't know what would happen then, but since the PC's perspective is what matters, I'd assume they would be killed ignoring HP all the same.

 

[frankthedm]

Yes, if you were so inclined as a DM to say the minion's punches were breaking the knecks of the other minions, you'd be within your power. Most DMs I know would instead say they knocked themselves out.

 

[Cadfan]

Yes. They all just die.

Also, if the PCs meet a level 29 minion and kill it by shooting it with an area of effect attack that does half damage on a miss, they all get a free level. This is why wizards are so much more powerful than everyone else, even in 4e. They kill legion devil minions for sport until they get to level 20 or so. It takes about an hour, or slightly longer if you invite one of your lower level friends to hide behind a pillar nearby and absorb experience points.

 

[BarkingDeathSquirrel]

Yes. They all just die.

Also, if the PCs meet a level 29 minion and kill it by shooting it with an area of effect attack that does half damage on a miss, they all get a free level. This is why wizards are so much more powerful than everyone else, even in 4e. They kill legion devil minions for sport until they get to level 20 or so. It takes about an hour, or slightly longer if you invite one of your lower level friends to hide behind a pillar nearby and absorb experience points.

From the Orc preview
"HP 1; a missed attack never damages a minion."

 

[LEHaskell]

Brings a whole new meaning to "The Quick and the Dead." You'd think that orcs would have evolved better Init mods under these circumstances.

 

[Daniel D. Fox]

From the Orc preview
"HP 1; a missed attack never damages a minion."

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

 

[FunkBGR]

Minion = Mook

I bet common sense still applies though - but yeah, Jackie Chan has "minions" in his movies running into walls, and all kinds of crazy things, and bam, down they go!

 

[Maximillian]

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

I believe that you're incorrect. I'm pretty sure that the intent is that half-damage attacks and residual damage from a missed daily power do not kill minions. The intent seems to be that you should have to be able to hit minions to kill them. In this way, their level actually accounts for something. Level one PCs won't be hitting level 6 minions as easily, and thus won't be killing them.

However, I still wonder about powers that don't require an attack roll, like the Stormwarden ranger paragon path's ability to deal damage to one or more adjacent foes every round.

 

[frankthedm]

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

That is EXACTLY what that statement is taking into account. A missed daily that still deals damage does not kill the minion.

Minions have 1 HP is there to make it easy for the DM, who won't have to track the critter's HP. Not so the minion autodies against attacks that deal damage on a miss.