Minion Fist Fights

[BarkingDeathSquirrel]

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

Heck, the pre-gen fighter (I believe) from Keep on the Shadowfell has an at-will power that deals damage on a miss.

I believe that line fully takes into account that those powers exist. Otherwise, you do get the odd (although, corner case and highly DM-dependant) situation that Cadfan described.

Edit: Ninja'd, I guess.

 

[Boarstorm]

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

Err... it seems to me to be the opposite case. They know that some missed attacks still render damage, so they decided to make minions hit-only to PREVENT that kind of cheese.

Edit: Hardcore ninja'd.

 

[Wormwood]

I'm being serious.

Your first mistake.

 

[Kaffis]

I believe the intention is that Minions ALWAYS die whenever they're damaged. That statement doesn't take into account some missed Daily attacks still render damage, and appears to be an oversight.

Actually, I think it does take that into account. In fact, the minion appears to be the exception to said powers that do partial damage on misses.

 

[Sojorn]

Err... it seems to me to be the opposite case. They know that some missed attacks still render damage, so they decided to make minions hit-only to PREVENT that kind of cheese.

The old wording confused the issue of auto-hits though, this new wording seems to indicate that damage auras do instantly kill minions.

I'm sure there'll be a section in the DMG or MM that explains EXACTLY what they mean though.

 

[Korgoth]

Your first mistake.

Maybe so. But when I get interested in a fantasy game, part of it is imagining the world. I have to be able to do that somewhat consistently.

Imagine a bar full of minions. They get into a fight with each other. When some guy hits another guy with a chair or beer mug, does that guy automatically die?

It just seems strange. Like some people are way too tough and others are way too fragile.

 

[Maximillian]

I'm sure there'll be a section in the DMG or MM that explains EXACTLY what they mean though.

Hopefully that'll be included in the article on the 19th. From the preview article updating the DDI schedule:

Mon 05/19: Minions (MM)

 

[Sojorn]

Hopefully that'll be included in the article on the 19th. From the preview article updating the DDI schedule:

Minions: Unsafe at any speed

 

[Kaffis]

Maybe so. But when I get interested in a fantasy game, part of it is imagining the world. I have to be able to do that somewhat consistently.

Imagine a bar full of minions. They get into a fight with each other. When some guy hits another guy with a chair or beer mug, does that guy automatically die?

It just seems strange. Like some people are way too tough and others are way too fragile.

See, the problem here is, you're assuming minions *can* get in a bar fight. Everybody knows that tavern brawls are PC activities. Thus, once said fight breaks out, the minions become PCs.

 

[Cadfan]

No, the problem is that you're assuming that "minion" is a characteristic of the identified NPC, rather than a characteristic of the relationship between the identified NPC and the PCs.