Miracle/ Wish- Recreate spells with Metamagic feats!?

[Belen]

Hey all,

I was wondering. Would miracle/wish recreate spells that equaled 7th level because of metamagic feats? For instance, one of my players wants to cast a persistant regenerate ring. That spells is 3rd level, yet with persistant it would be 7th level.

However, the player in question does not have the persistant feat. He wants to use miracle to recreate the 7th level effect of a persistant regenerate that would effect the entire party. Is it allowable?

Dave

 

[SoulStorm]

You beat me to it, however, you got the spell wrong. The spell is Regenerate Ring from Masters of the Wild. Persistent Spell can't be used with regererate light wounds.

 

[Malachi of Kossuth]

There is nothing that says you cannot do metamagiced spells with Miracle/Wish. I've seen Clerics do persistant divine favor/fortitude with Miracles.

However, a good DM will normally require some exceptional role-playing reason for this as the power comes from the Cleric's deity. Calling upon one's god to grant a persistant spell everyday seems a bit trivial, and we all KNOW the gods hate to be disturbed for trivial things.

Having said deity mention the fact that he is tired of getting these calls for trivial Miracles should be enough to discourage this. More direct actions such as loss of spells might be needed for the more dense players.

 

[wraith8]

If after the deity claims he is tired (say after 3-5 times) The character uses it again, he loses all spellcasting abilities after that day.

My spin on things.
However there is no limit from feats when it comes to imitating spells.

 

[green slime]

As to whether the wish/Miracle can imitate spells that have been metamagicked? Sure, why not? It is a ninth level spell slot that is getting consumed, for goodness sake.

But I would require that the spells be legal targets for those metamagic feats as per the feat descriptions. This probably rules out regenerate ring or regenerate light wounds from being made persistent. I seem to recall persistent required that spells have target:you and rangeersonal, and while I don't have the descriptions of those spells handy, I think they had target: one creature.