Mirror Image - Need a refresher course in this...

RigaMortus2

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We play Mirror Image per the FAQ. Which basically means when someone casts Mirror Image, the images are not spread out in their own seperate squares as the PHB suggest. All mirror images, and the caster of mirror image, all occupy the same square as the FAQ suggests. Now given that this is how my group plays it (and this is what I need a refresher on), one way to sort of negate Mirror Image is to close your eyes. What this does is, instead of giving you a 25% chance to hit the real target (assuming 3 images + the caster = 4 targets) you have a 50% chance of hitting him. Now, the images also have their own AC as well (I beleive AC 10 IIRC), so when you attack the caster, and miss because of Mirror Image, you have a chance of popping one of the images. My question is, if you close your eyes and miss the target, is there a chance you can pop one of his images?

This is the progression how we usually play it:

1) Attack caster w/ Mirror Images up

2) Make Attack roll

3) DM checks to see if Attack roll hits caster's AC

4a) If the attack would hit the caster's AC, then we see if the attacker really hit the caster or one of his images. Randomly roll to see if it was an image we hit, or the caster.
4a-1) If the roll comes up caster, roll damage normally.
4b-1) If the roll comes up image, double check to make sure the attack would hit the image's AC (in most cases it would) and pop an image.

4b) If the attacker would miss the caster's AC, then we see if it would hit an image.
4b-1) If the attacker misses the image's AC, nothing happens, it was just a bad attack roll
4b-2) If the attacker hits th image's AC, he pops an image

It looks like many steps on paper (err, message board), but is really very quick in game.

My core question relates to this because if you have your eye's closed and miss the attacker not because of the 50% miss chance from concealment, but because of a low attack roll (which may be high enough of a roll to hit an image), do you still go to the "randomly determine if you hit the caster or image" part of the equation?

I guess when it comes down to it, even if your eyes are closed, the images are still there, you just can't see them, right? Hence the 50% miss chance due to concealment.
 

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You have a 50% chance to miss because you are attacking an invisible target. It has nothing to do with the mirror images.

If you attack with your eyes closed, there are no chances of popping an image.
 

Dracorat said:
You have a 50% chance to miss because you are attacking an invisible target. It has nothing to do with the mirror images.

If you attack with your eyes closed, there are no chances of popping an image.

But I am not sure that makes sense, because the images ARE there, I just can't see them. Just as I can not see the caster.

What if I hit the caster's AC, I succeed in my 50% miss chance, do I still have to see if I pop an image? They are still there after all, I just can't see them. My ally, on the other hand, can perceive if I actually hit the caster, hit an image, or completely missed.
 

Your ally isn't interacting with an image, even if they are observing you, and neither are you. Closing your eyes has bypassed that.
 

RigaMortus2 said:
But I am not sure that makes sense, because the images ARE there, I just can't see them. Just as I can not see the caster.

What if I hit the caster's AC, I succeed in my 50% miss chance, do I still have to see if I pop an image? They are still there after all, I just can't see them. My ally, on the other hand, can perceive if I actually hit the caster, hit an image, or completely missed.

That's the price you pay for upping your chance to hit the caster.

4 images: Chance to hit caster 20%. Chance to hit image 80%.

Eyes closed: Chance to hit caster 50%. Chance to hit image 0%.


Note: I could see a DM adding a house rule of a second 50% miss chance to see if you might have a chance to hit an image. But, I wouldn't.
 

Or you could be a total bastard and give a 50% miss chance, and if the player makes the 50% hit chance, *then* roll to see if he hit the real mage or one of the images.

Unrealistic as hell, but stops the "close my eyes and swing" stuff.
 

Mirror images are figments, and hence, closing your eyes isn't useful at all. You would just end up with Particle Man's scenario.
 

Well whaddaya know? I told the truth without realizing it. :) Apparently neither hearing nor vision can distinguish the mage from the images, so closing one's eyes won't help because you won't know which sneering mage's voice is the one to swing for.
 



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