Mirror Image - Need a refresher course in this...

[Hypersmurf]

The description of the spell states that it creates visual figments, indistunguishable from the original.

It says it creates illusory duplicates, indistinguishable from the original, and that hearing or vision can't be used...

Plenty of Figment spells create sounds - Ghost Sound, Major Image, etc. Mirror Image doesn't say the figments are purely visual, and does say that hearing cannot be used to distinguish.

-Hyp.

 

[Dracorat]

Yep, now you just have to connect the dots. Unfortunately, this appears to be a spot where they can be connected one of two ways and both are viable according to the rules.

 

[pawsplay]

If it only affects your senses when you are looking at it, it should be a pattern, not a figment. Unless that sentence only means to suggest that ordinary hearing is simply not up to the task of distinguishing them... but that makes the "trust the Force" rules a little strange. Surely it's not actually harder? If it is an auditory figment, then by definition, adequate hearing of a superhuman order should allow you to distinguish them, and blindsense etc would be fooled.

So either it's the wrong type of illusion, or it's a visual figument with a bad rule.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If it is an auditory figment, then by definition, adequate hearing of a superhuman order should allow you to distinguish them...

Why? Adequate vision of a superhuman order doesn't allow you to tell them apart with a Spot check.

-Hyp.

 

[Particle_Man]

I wonder if this text has been changed at all in the Deluxe version of the PHB. I understand they have snuck some errata in (such as for Sneak Attack).

 

[pawsplay]

Why? Adequate vision of a superhuman order doesn't allow you to tell them apart with a Spot check.

-Hyp.

But if you close your ears, you don't suddenly get to ignore the confusing images.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But if you close your ears, you don't suddenly get to ignore the confusing images.

Of course not. The spell doesn't mention that like it does for closing your eyes.

-Hyp.

 

[Thurbane]

Two quick (sort of) related questions:

1.) Does Deathwatch reveal the Mirror Images as "non-living"...in fact, does it do this with other Illusion spells?

2.) Does a non-damaging attack, say Touch of Idiocy, destroy an Image on a successful hit? I assume it does, as it is still classified as an attack. How about the touch from a Cure Light Wounds spell? Does hitting an image trigger the touch spell and waste it?

 

[Hypersmurf]

1.) Does Deathwatch reveal the Mirror Images as "non-living"...in fact, does it do this with other Illusion spells?

I would rule that Deathwatch works just fine.

2.) Does a non-damaging attack, say Touch of Idiocy, destroy an Image on a successful hit? I assume it does, as it is still classified as an attack. How about the touch from a Cure Light Wounds spell? Does hitting an image trigger the touch spell and waste it?

I would rule that a touch attack roll exceeding the figment's AC is a 'successful attack', destroying the image... but that since you aren't actually touching anything, the spell is not discharged.

-Hyp.

 

[Dracorat]

Im my case it would discharge and destroy the image.

As for the pattern vs figment arguement, a figment does not have to have BOTH visual and auditory parts to be a figment:

Figment

A figment spell creates a false sensation. Those who perceive the figment perceive the same thing, not their own slightly different versions of the figment. (It is not a personalized mental impression.) Figments cannot make something seem to be something else. A figment that includes audible effects cannot duplicate intelligible speech unless the spell description specifically says it can. If intelligible speech is possible, it must be in a language you can speak. If you try to duplicate a language you cannot speak, the image produces gibberish. Likewise, you cannot make a visual copy of something unless you know what it looks like.

Because figments and glamers (see below) are unreal, they cannot produce real effects the way that other types of illusions can. They cannot cause damage to objects or creatures, support weight, provide nutrition, or provide protection from the elements. Consequently, these spells are useful for confounding or delaying foes, but useless for attacking them directly.

A figment’s AC is equal to 10 + its size modifier.


Pattern

Like a figment, a pattern spell creates an image that others can see, but a pattern also affects the minds of those who see it or are caught in it. All patterns are mind-affecting spells.

Notice the underlined section. It points out that not all figments have an auditory part by stating that some (but not stating that all) do have one. This is one case of one that doesn't.

Hope that helps.