Mods shutting down threads for threadcrapping

[Irlo]

Did you really just threadcrap in a thread about threadcrapping??

Well, no. What make you think I did?

EDIT: Oh, I see. To clarify, I think this thread is productive conversation.

I was responding to this post:

Screaming "racist" at anyone who even slightly disagrees with the majority, or accusing people who disagree with majority of being trolls is not a productive way to promote change.

No one here is doing that. No one is making those unproductive claims to promote change. So we can have a productive conversation without worrying about those unproductive claims.

 

[Umbran]

The easiest way to influence a company is to vote with your dollars.

Screaming "racist" at anyone who even slightly disagrees with the majority, or accusing people who disagree with majority of being trolls is not a productive way to promote change.

That knife cuts both ways.

If one sees a thread about what some people consider racism, coming in to just deny the problem exists is not a productive way to engage in the topic either. And, to be perfectly honest, you'd need to make a pretty amazing argument to support the idea that folks don't generally know this will turn out badly.

What do you call a person who comes in, and engages in behavior they know will be disruptive but not constructive?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

What do you call a person who comes in, and engages in behavior they know will be disruptive but not constructive?

A relative.

It's why I call Thanksgiving the most dreaded time of the year.

 

[Gradine]

That knife cuts both ways.

If one sees a thread about what some people consider racism, coming in to just deny the problem exists is not a productive way to engage in the topic either. And, to be perfectly honest, you'd need to make a pretty amazing argument to support the idea that folks don't generally know this will turn out badly.

What do you call a person who comes in, and engages in behavior they know will be disruptive but not constructive?

This what gets me, and why I started this thread, because I know you and the other mods are entirely sympathetic to this point. My question then becomes why shuttering threads has become the answer to deliberately disruptive behavior?

 

[AnotherGuy]

Trolls: "This is nothing, this conversation shouldn't be happening!" x30

x30? Really?
There were like maybe 3-4 people in that thread that didn't agree on the main issue with the rest.
The hyperbole that is utilised is not helpful in that thread or this.

Speaking for myself, I'd like to talk about how we, as a consumer community, can create actual change with regards to, say, WotC's absolutely horrific track record of casual (if unintentional) racism towards black people. But I feel like I can't, at least not here, where I feel like I'm most likely to find the most like-minded and well-intentioned folks to work towards that changed. I feel silenced.

I believe all who visited that thread understood everyone's side of the argument. No one was left out in the cold.
I mean sometimes these threads (and I'm including the NuSTR and the 2 that bullied everyone - forget their names) can go on for a while as the same posters post their shock and horror again and again in different words. I mean how many posts does one need to describe ones feelings before one doesn't feel silenced?

EDIT: Given how you feel have you actually even written a letter to WotC about this issue? Perhaps make a +thread on how to make that species better for the player base, using some of the existing law but modifying it so that its not offensive.

 

[Umbran]

Speaking for myself, I'd like to talk about how we, as a consumer community, can create actual change with regards to, say, WotC's absolutely horrific track record of casual (if unintentional) racism towards black people. But I feel like I can't, at least not here, where I feel like I'm most likely to find the most like-minded and well-intentioned folks to work towards that changed. I feel silenced.

I am sorry about how these things turn out. It isn't how I'd prefer it, myself. We are limited, however, by practical matters of the medium.

I must note, though, that posting here isn't really a great way to create change in WotC. If you want to do that with any hope of success, you must ultimately communicate with WotC. There is no official WotC presence on these boards, so writing here means they don't officially see it.

 

[Umbran]

My question then becomes why shuttering threads has become the answer to deliberately disruptive behavior?

It isn't "the answer". It is one tool we sometimes have to resort to using, that we hold off from using as long as we feel we can.

 

[Umbran]

x30? Really?
There were like maybe 3-4 people in that thread that didn't agree on the main issue with the rest.
The hyperbole that is utilised is not helpful in that thread or this.

So, in terms of number of posts x30 is more accurate. A small number of people can generate a great volume of drek that, if we want to at least try to be fair, we have to wade through and consider individually.

 

[Deset Gled]

As a general thought, I think that people using (+) threads more often would be helpful.

I've noticed a trend lately where (+) threads seem to get less posts than other threads. I think some people are afraid that if they are too argumentative in a (+) thread, they'll get in trouble. IMNSHO, the only way to change that ideology is for (+) threads to become more normalized.

 

[Gradine]

I am sorry about how these things turn out. It isn't how I'd prefer it, myself. We are limited, however, by practical matters of the medium.

I must note, though, that posting here isn't really a great way to create change in WotC. If you want to do that with any hope of success, you must ultimately communicate with WotC. There is no official WotC presence on these boards, so writing here means they don't officially see it.

Such direct communications to WotC matter little when sent individually, but when collaboratively joined together by a larger community, can create change.

When such collaborations are derailed and shut down, that can't actually happen.