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billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
But... they will. That's the point.

If you start a (+) thread about making a less racist Hadozee, and someone comes in arguing that the Hadozee aren't racist... they are supposed to get in trouble.
Well, apparently that's not going to happen because another thread on the topic just got locked. It wasn't a (+) thread, but the reason cited was that nobody should be opening up a new thread on a closed topic.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Well, apparently that's not going to happen because another thread on the topic just got locked. It wasn't a (+) thread, but the reason cited was that nobody should be opening up a new thread on a closed topic.
What’s the point of closing a thread if somebody can just start it again? Might as well just leave it open then. For 20+ years we’ve asked people not to immediately reopen closed threads for what — I hope — are obvious reasons.
 

Retreater

Legend
What’s the point of closing a thread if somebody can just start it again? Might as well just leave it open then. For 20+ years we’ve asked people not to immediately reopen closed threads for what — I hope — are obvious reasons.
I valued seeing the Polygon article, which I probably wouldn't have found on my own. It did add some professional journalism to the story, which had been only some collected Tweets previously - and likely what Wizards will see as they craft their response.
I do understand not wanting it brought up again immediately after closing a similar thread, but it is a big story. I think having a link to the article (and other future statements) - that can't be commented on - could be a good way of sharing important RPG news that won't start a thread war.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
The "dismissive jerk" is not in the content, but in how the content is delivered. It is entirely possible for folks to come into such a thread, and raise an objection in a reasoned, thoughtful, respectful way. The problem lies with the ones who resort to dropping their objection in like steamy hot mess.
This bears repeating. Well said, Umbran.
 

Catolias

Explorer
I must note, though, that posting here isn't really a great way to create change in WotC. If you want to do that with any hope of success, you must ultimately communicate with WotC. There is no official WotC presence on these boards, so writing here means they don't officially see it.
Being able to post a thread to educate others or be educated ourselves means things might change. It might be slow, but I think people here can drive change as much as if WotC drive the change themselves. Let’s face it, even when change happens from the top down it still can go wrong…
 

aco175

Legend
Being able to post a thread to educate others or be educated ourselves means things might change. It might be slow, but I think people here can drive change as much as if WotC drive the change themselves. Let’s face it, even when change happens from the top down it still can go wrong…
The problem I can see here is that two people can have opposite views on what they think educating is and something fine at my table may be terrible at yours. Multiply that by 1000 and some/most may be able to talk and use out inside voices to argue but a few will swoop in on these threads and drop bombs for whatever reasons.

This seems to be more so on topics closer to race and politics as opposed to classes and spell mechanics.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Being able to post a thread to educate others or be educated ourselves means things might change.

Talking about these things is fine, but I doubt this is an effective venue to educate people in a directed way. EN World isn't a classroom.

It might be slow, but I think people here can drive change as much as if WotC drive the change themselves.

Perhaps my point was not clear - you cannot drive change in WotC products if your thoughts do not reach WotC. WotC does not engage on these boards. Write about their products here as much as you want, as long as you want, that is not communicating with WotC.

It is like writing what you want somewhere on a wall in Renton, and hoping that a WotC employee who is placed highly enough just happens to walk by, see it, and decide to take action. It isn't reliable communication.

If you want WotC to know your feelings on a matter, you have to tell them directly, not tell EN World.
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Re '+' threads - my only concern with those is that someone starting one might just want an echo chamber; and IMO the biggest barrier to real discourse and discussion (be it civil or otherwise) in all venues is people either constructing or hiding in echo chambers where opposing or contrary points of view are simply not allowed. A '+' thread for discussing and refining a proposed new idea for the game before opening it up to criticism? Sure. A '+' thread for discussing anything more meaningful? Bad idea IMO.
Perhaps my point was not clear - you cannot drive change in WotC products if your thoughts do not reach WotC. WotC does not engage on these boards.
They don't actively engage any more, which is too bad; but does anyone know whether WotC quietly monitors these boards (officially or not) as a source of unfiltered and informal feedback? I think I'd at least try to high-level monitor sites like this were I in charge, if I could spare the person-power, as it would be a useful feet-on-the-ground information source untainted by the marketing department's survey designing.
 


Lanefan

Victoria Rules
One could argue that encouraging echo chambers ultimately ends up as skin off everyone's nose, but whatever - your site, your rules. :)
 



CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
I'm not a moderator, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think the best thing we can do to help the moderators do their thing, and thus keep important threads from being closed by trolls, is for everyone to stop feeding the trolls. When a troll shows up and attempts to crap out a thread, don't engage--just report the post, and wait for the moderator to intervene before you respond (if you still feel the need to respond). Trolls depend on this rapid-fire, back-and-forth arguing to generate pages and pages of rhetoric and overwhelm the moderators. They literally hide behind the noise they make.

I think that by not engaging directly with the trolls, we would eliminate the pages and pages of cross-talk that keeps clogging up the discussion, which would give the moderators more elbow room to do their job. And that, in turn, would help keep more of these important threads open for discussion.
 

The Myopic Sniper

Adventurer
Question, the hadozee entry in DnDBeyond has gotten an update. Is it appropriate to suggest an update to the thread for news updates like this?
It is pretty big news that WOTC changed the lore and artwork on D&D Beyond due to the criticisms. Maybe one of the mods can make a selective edit on the original post or give it its own thread as a news item.
 



Riley

Hero
I think the best thing we can do to help the moderators do their thing, and thus keep important threads from being closed by trolls, is for everyone to stop feeding the trolls. When a troll shows up and attempts to crap out a thread, don't engage--just report the post, and wait for the moderator to intervene before you respond (if you still feel the need to respond).
I highly recommend the “ignore” function.

It’s amazing how often the apparent trolls are people I’ve already ignored. (I selected the option that allows me to see replies to those I’ve ignored, but I’d have to click a link to see the original post. (I found the ignore option that makes the Ignored disappear completely to be too confusing. It made it look like otherwise-reasonable-seeming posters were getting outraged at nothing, or maybe even at each other.)
 

SakanaSensei

Adventurer
I highly recommend the “ignore” function.

It’s amazing how often the apparent trolls are people I’ve already ignored. (I selected the option that allows me to see replies to those I’ve ignored, but I’d have to click a link to see the original post. (I found the ignore option that makes the Ignored disappear completely to be too confusing. It made it look like otherwise-reasonable-seeming posters were getting outraged at nothing, or maybe even at each other.)
I think it took me a good 5-6 names to sort out almost all bad-faith arguments and chronic downers.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
And here I was told that internet criticism didn't matter and we just needed to vote with our dollars
Girl Why Dont We Have Both GIF
 

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