Momento Mori spell from ELH

[kreynolds]

You appeared to give an answer that you had no basis for.

In retrospect, it did indeed appear that way.

Sounds like a pretty naive statement in this Age of Errata.

Not really. It only sounds naive when you snip out the rest of the relevant post, especially when I went to voice my opinion on how it wasn't terribly unbalanced.

If no creature has more than 100 or so HD, then saying "up to 160 HD" is effectively no different than saying "up to 10,000 HD" or even "kills any creature, regardless of HD."

But there are creatures with far more hit die than that, which is why I said what I did, which is also why my statement wasn't naive, as I had a basis for it.

What is naive, however, is when people make an unedjucated balance related judgement about a game device when they don't know how it works or how it relates to other rules.

But I can't complain too much, as I've made plenty of those. Anybody that witnessed the thread regarding the cost of magic items for spellcasters that make them should know what I mean by that. Hell, I'll never be able to get rid of that blemish. You can thank Weeble for edjucating me on that issue.

It doesn't matter though, since I guess there is a creature with almost 250 HD. Looks like my initial assumption was wrong.

Hey, it's no big deal. I mean, what, the book has been released for 2 days now? Maybe 3? I can't blame you or anything.

Also, I apologize for the short post, but I find it terribly irritating when people start ripping apart the epic level rules, claiming that they are unbalanced, sloppy, etc, etc, when they haven't even seen the rules in at least a semi-complete form.

I had just come from a thread on the General Discussion board that was basically merely an infantile ELH bashing session.

 

[Kai Lord]

Not really. It only sounds naive when you snip out the rest of the relevant post, especially when I went to voice my opinion on how it wasn't terribly unbalanced.

I snipped the rest because my initial assertion had nothing to do with balance. I just didn't think anything had 160 HD. Nothing in the ELH itself has anywhere close to that, but just to be sure I flipped open Faiths and Pantheons and noticed that Bane wasn't even close either. I thought it was safe to assume that nothing yet published had that many. But we already know I was wrong.

But there are creatures with far more hit die than that, which is why I said what I did, which is also why my statement wasn't naive, as I had a basis for it.

What is naive, however, is when people make an unedjucated balance related judgement about a game device when they don't know how it works or how it relates to other rules.

There you go about balance again. I never made any implication that it was unbalanced. I just thought it was funny, kind of like when Dr. Evil told the President of 1969 to give him 100 billion dollars. I *like* the Epic Level rules. I *like* having heroes more evocative of Kenshiro from Fist of the Northstar than Mr. Bean.

Also, I apologize for the short post, but I find it terribly irritating when people start ripping apart the epic level rules, claiming that they are unbalanced, sloppy, etc, etc, when they haven't even seen the rules in at least a semi-complete form.

I had just come from a thread on the General Discussion board that was basically merely an infantile ELH bashing session.

Mm-hmm. I might have made a small contribution to that thread myself....

 

[PsykoLad]

It has a cap of 160 HD because it is built on the Slay seed. Slay kills something of 80 HD or less, each additional 80 HD you add to the spell increases the DC to cast the spell by 8.

 

[James McMurray]

Hey, it's no big deal. I mean, what, the book has been released for 2 days now? Maybe 3? I can't blame you or anything.

In my neck of the woods, the book has been released for all of -1 days.

 

[Crothian]

In my neck of the woods, the book has been released for all of -1 days.

I'm hoping that's the case here as well. Actually, after my date today, I was hoping it would be in because the local store gets shipments at any point during the week. So, here's to hoping I get to finally see this thing tommorrow.

 

[kreynolds]

I snipped the rest because my initial assertion had nothing to do with balance. I just didn't think anything had 160 HD. Nothing in the ELH itself has anywhere close to that, but just to be sure I flipped open Faiths and Pantheons and noticed that Bane wasn't even close either. I thought it was safe to assume that nothing yet published had that many. But we already know I was wrong.

There you go about balance again. I never made any implication that it was unbalanced. I just thought it was funny, kind of like when Dr. Evil told the President of 1969 to give him 100 billion dollars. I *like* the Epic Level rules. I *like* having heroes more evocative of Kenshiro from Fist of the Northstar than Mr. Bean.

I never said I was speaking about you, and I wasn't.

DISCLAIMER: Believe me, if I was speaking specifically about you, you'd know.

Mm-hmm. I might have made a small contribution to that thread myself....

Yes. You did, and I defended the hell out of you. You made some useful contributions to that thread.

 

[Kai Lord]

I never said I was speaking about you, and I wasn't.

DISCLAIMER: Believe me, if I was speaking specifically about you, you'd know.

Your words would sound like wisdom were it not for this warning in my heart...

Yes. You did, and I defended the hell out of you.

But can you defend me from yourself?

puts on ring and disappears from thread

 

[Kershek]

"Your bloodthirsty wish snuffs out the lifeforce of a living creature of 160 or fewer HD, killing it instantly."

Looks like it's time to go kill Elmonster!

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Momento Mori spell from ELH

Looks like it's time to go kill Elmonster!

Somehow, I don't think Mystra, Azuth, and Savras would appreciate that. Remember, the gods of Faerun are actually pretty active there.

 

[Caliber]

Just for speculations sake, I figure a caster would need to be at least 41st level to cast this spell (with a good expectation of success.)

+10 for Epic Skill Focus
+2 for regular Skill Focus
+20 for some Magic Item of Spellcraft
+43 ranks in Spellcraft
+10 take 10 on the cast roll
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+86 Spellcraft

Of course if Skill Focus adds +3 (like it does in my games) you could cast this at 40th. And if you have some wacko Epic Ring of Spellcraft +90, you can cast it much earlier.

Yes I am incredibly bored. No this didn't help that much.