Monk Questions...

[Rashak Mani]

Some questions I haven't found threads on:

Flurry of Blows can include Improved Trip attempts ? So could I attempt trip attempts one after another ?

The wording in Improved Trip might make it possible that in a failed trip... your foe will attempt to trip you back ? (its not the AOO the feat talks about afterall)

Abundant Step (aka Dim Door) could you take people with you like the spell ?

Quivering Palm... any interesting house rules on this ? Seems wierd just to will death...

 

[shilsen]

Some questions I haven't found threads on:

Flurry of Blows can include Improved Trip attempts ? So could I attempt trip attempts one after another ?

Yes. Yes.

The wording in Improved Trip might make it possible that in a failed trip... your foe will attempt to trip you back ? (its not the AOO the feat talks about afterall)

Yes, your foe can attempt a conter-trip even if you have Improved Trip (as long as you fail).

Abundant Step (aka Dim Door) could you take people with you like the spell ?

Yes.

Quivering Palm... any interesting house rules on this ? Seems wierd just to will death...

No house rules for me. It's a kind of magic. Really (doesn't work in an antimagic field).

 

[Egres]

Originally Posted by Rashak Mani
Some questions I haven't found threads on:

Flurry of Blows can include Improved Trip attempts ? So could I attempt trip attempts one after another ?


Yes. Yes.

I'm not so sure about the Trip question.

The Flurry talks about "unarmed strikes", not unarmed attacks.

 

[DanMcS]

I'm not so sure about the Trip question.
The Flurry talks about "unarmed strikes", not unarmed attacks.

If you're going to quibble over rules, at least be accurate.

When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a -2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round.
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When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham).

Can you trip with an unarmed attack? Yes, obviously.

Trip
You can try to trip an opponent as an unarmed melee attack.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can you trip with an unarmed attack? Yes, obviously.

Indeed. But can you trip with an unarmed strike?

Every weapon that can be used to trip states as much in its description. Unarmed Strike does not.

Thus, if you are using an unarmed strike, you may not trip with it; instead, you trip as an unarmed melee attack.

However, while Flurrying, you may only attack with unarmed strikes or special monk weapons. Since an unarmed strike cannot be used to trip (or it would say so, like every other weapon that can be used to trip), you can only trip while Flurrying with a special monk weapon... which means a kama.

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

If you're going to quibble over rules, at least be accurate.

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[dreaded_beast]

Every weapon that can be used to trip states as much in its description. Unarmed Strike does not.

Thus, if you are using an unarmed strike, you may not trip with it; instead, you trip as an unarmed melee attack.

So what is the difference between unarmed strike and unarmed attack?

I remember there was a pretty long thread discussing the above question, but I forget most of it, so sorry in advance.

Could grapple attacks be down during a Flurry as well?

 

[Hypersmurf]

So what is the difference between unarmed strike and unarmed attack?

An unarmed strike is a form of unarmed attack... but not every unarmed attack is an unarmed strike.

Could grapple attacks be down during a Flurry as well?

Have a look at the Weapon Focus feat. Notice that Weapon Focus: Grapple and Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike are two separate feats. Thus, when you grapple, you are not attacking with an unarmed strike (or you would simply use Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike, with no need for a separate feat), nor with a special monk weapon, and thus cannot do it as part of a Flurry of Blows.

If you are already grappling, and with to use Flurry of Blows, your only option is "Attack opponent with light weapon", at a -4 penalty... as long as the light weapon you attack with is an unarmed strike or special monk weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[Legildur]

Have a look at the Weapon Focus feat. Notice that Weapon Focus: Grapple and Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike are two separate feats. Thus, when you grapple, you are not attacking with an unarmed strike (or you would simply use Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike, with no need for a separate feat), nor with a special monk weapon, and thus cannot do it as part of a Flurry of Blows.

So, does Weapon Focus (grapple) apply to the melee touch attack required to 'grab' the target? Or does it apply to the opposed grapple check? I'm positive that you have previously argued that it applies to the grab, but I'd like to hear (see) your arguments before I get on my soapbox.

Given that Weapon Specialisation (grapple) specifically affects damage dealt I'd have thought that WF (grapple) would apply to the actual attack that delivers the damage (the opposed grapple check in this case).

Weapon Specialisation: Choose one type of weapon for which you have already selected the Weapon Focus feat. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple as your weapon for purposes of this feat. You deal extra damage when using this weapon.

Also, similarly, say you have WF (kama) and are using that weapon to make a Trip attack, does the WF bonus apply to the melee touch attack when using the weapon in this way?

 

[Hypersmurf]

So, does Weapon Focus (grapple) apply to the melee touch attack required to 'grab' the target?

Certainly. It's an attack roll; Weapon Focus affects attack rolls.

Or does it apply to the opposed grapple check?

That depends on whether you consider 'like an attack roll' to be sufficient to allow any modifiers to attack rolls to affect grapple checks - Bless, Inspire Courage, Prone penalties, etc, etc.

Also, similarly, say you have WF (kama) and are using that weapon to make a Trip attack, does the WF bonus apply to the melee touch attack when using the weapon in this way?

Absolutely. The kama is a weapon that can be used to trip; therefore, the melee touch attack roll is an attack roll with the kama, to which Weapon Focus: Kama applies.

Unarmed Strike is not a weapon that can be used to trip; therefore the unarmed melee touch attack roll is not an attack roll with an unarmed strike, and thus Weapon Focus: Unarmed Strike cannot apply.

-Hyp.