Monk Revisions
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Issalzul Syde
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No info as been released, so i'm hoping for the best.
All I read about monks is the "monks are god" comments and they tick me off.
So i'm guessing it's going to be a powerdown.
I just hope ki strike is actually made USEFUL with the new DR system.
Hell, if they can make it useful at all, i'm happy.
"Yay! I just got Ki strike +1!"
"Uhhh... bob? all the monsters we face right now have a DR of x/+2 and higher"
"..."
All I read about monks is the "monks are god" comments and they tick me off.
So i'm guessing it's going to be a powerdown.
I just hope ki strike is actually made USEFUL with the new DR system.
Hell, if they can make it useful at all, i'm happy.
"Yay! I just got Ki strike +1!"
"Uhhh... bob? all the monsters we face right now have a DR of x/+2 and higher"
"..."
Mortaneus
First Post
Victim said:
IMC, I've found monks to be really powerful in only one way, and that's AC. That's only at high levels, however, when they've got DEX and WIS boosts, Bracers of Armor +8, and the like. They're good at getting in the way and pummelling spellcasters. That's about it.
One thing I've considered doing is tossing out this 'Unarmed Attack' nonsense, and giving them a fighter attack bonus at standard interative attacks. Makes the class run smoother, I think, and actually gives them the chance of hitting with an attack or two at high levels.
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Perithoth
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Hi,
I was the one that was at the revised 3e meeting at WF and posted up all that stuff. Basically the four "tweener" classes were going to be pumped up. There may be some rearranging of feats, Rangers will get them spread out in the beginning and get some cool stuff down the road. Not much was said about the monks specifically but I think that Monk will probably move Evasion from 1st to 2nd level or so. I know the Ki strike is weak right now so I am hoping they will make that more viable.
The power of a Monk is AC and movement. I think they want to make it a better class because really you don't come into your own until 6th level. Most people I know take one level for evasion and then poof the go on to some other class. Kinda like taking Ranger for 1 level to get the front loaded feats.
Bryan Blumklotz
AKA Perithoth
Lord of Grumpiness
I was the one that was at the revised 3e meeting at WF and posted up all that stuff. Basically the four "tweener" classes were going to be pumped up. There may be some rearranging of feats, Rangers will get them spread out in the beginning and get some cool stuff down the road. Not much was said about the monks specifically but I think that Monk will probably move Evasion from 1st to 2nd level or so. I know the Ki strike is weak right now so I am hoping they will make that more viable.
The power of a Monk is AC and movement. I think they want to make it a better class because really you don't come into your own until 6th level. Most people I know take one level for evasion and then poof the go on to some other class. Kinda like taking Ranger for 1 level to get the front loaded feats.
Bryan Blumklotz
AKA Perithoth
Lord of Grumpiness
Chun-tzu
First Post
Thanks for the info, Bryan (and welcome to the boards!).
The kinds of complaints I usually read about Monks are:
a) Ki Strike is under-powered (as mentioned already).
b) For martial artists, their damage output leaves much to be desired. I doubt WotC will be upping their combat ability, but one can dream.
c) They're not customizable. Fighters, Wizards, Rogues, and Clerics may be built in very different ways, but one Monk is just about as good as another. The motto of the revisions is to make 3E more like 3E; well, 3E is all about options, so I'm betting they add a few more options to Monks (like in OA and Quintessential Monk).
d) They may (or may not) alter the multiclassing restrictions (which are dropped completely in OA).
The kinds of complaints I usually read about Monks are:
a) Ki Strike is under-powered (as mentioned already).
b) For martial artists, their damage output leaves much to be desired. I doubt WotC will be upping their combat ability, but one can dream.
c) They're not customizable. Fighters, Wizards, Rogues, and Clerics may be built in very different ways, but one Monk is just about as good as another. The motto of the revisions is to make 3E more like 3E; well, 3E is all about options, so I'm betting they add a few more options to Monks (like in OA and Quintessential Monk).
d) They may (or may not) alter the multiclassing restrictions (which are dropped completely in OA).
zero skill LPB
First Post
Monk-y prediction
Ki Strike will no longer scale up as "+1, +2, +3" but instead as "trumps DR 5/*, 10/*, 15/*"
Doesn't (unnecessarily) increase their damage output, yet still keeps them in the damage-dealing game.
They'll probably still get them too late, but hey, there's gotta be a reason to pick up 4.0, right?
Ki Strike will no longer scale up as "+1, +2, +3" but instead as "trumps DR 5/*, 10/*, 15/*"
Doesn't (unnecessarily) increase their damage output, yet still keeps them in the damage-dealing game.
They'll probably still get them too late, but hey, there's gotta be a reason to pick up 4.0, right?
Grendel
First Post
I'm puting my money on more versatility.
I think both monks will loose most of their fixed abilities/feats, and have more selection spread out through the levels.
The only major change I can forsee (game-balance-wise) is lowering of the monks movement, or shifting it to a chosen ability rather than a free ability.
Infact I wouldn't be surprised to see a shift to a more feat based game with specific classes having access to specific feats (at certain levels). Make all the monk abilities "monk feats" same could be done with rogue, paladin and ranger.
I think both monks will loose most of their fixed abilities/feats, and have more selection spread out through the levels.
The only major change I can forsee (game-balance-wise) is lowering of the monks movement, or shifting it to a chosen ability rather than a free ability.
Infact I wouldn't be surprised to see a shift to a more feat based game with specific classes having access to specific feats (at certain levels). Make all the monk abilities "monk feats" same could be done with rogue, paladin and ranger.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
Could someone post a link to where you get all your information about the Revision of the rules?
They always seem to appear out of thin air...
Mustrum Ridcully
They always seem to appear out of thin air...
Mustrum Ridcully
