Monster Manual 3 Available at Gencon [merged]

[Knight Otu]

Ditto here! What's the different between the Desert and Sand giants?

Maybe that one doesn't exist? It's Sand Giant (MM3) vs. Sun Giant (MM2).

Evil nitpicking aside, I third the question, and add another one:

Are there Deathless in the MM3?

 

[aurickandrien]

But there is a really big flaw in that other than pissing off the old gamers...if the new generation of players truly are new, then they wouldn't have any clue (and I mean no clue at all) that the conversion of old material---is truly the conversion of old material...see the logic?

Well, I may be a relatively new player as I've only been into DnD since the latter half of 2001... The rest of the players in my group however are not. Personally, I'm rather cautious about using WotC monster supplements as I'm not all that familiar with the creatures' roles in previous editions or the settings that they've been poached from. None of them really explain the context of any of these monsters.

If I really want to understand all the monsters then I either have to ask the other people in my group on a case-by-case basis (rather anti-climatic) or I have to get all the previous edition supplements as well. It's not strictly necessary, but there you go.

 

[Dark Psion]

Any word when the MM3 would be released for everyone else??

(and please remember to add +25 days for Amazon to ship it)

 

[Pants]

Any word when the MM3 would be released for everyone else??

(and please remember to add +25 days for Amazon to ship it)

Walmart.com has it pegged at Sept. 28. Don't know how accurate that is...

 

[MerricB]

What the freak!

90% of these are new monsters, 5% are reprinted monsters from Dragon (much needed, since they're monsters from 3.0 and weren't updated) and the remaining 5% are reprinted monsters from other sources!

Barely any old monsters converted? What is WotC thinking?

Honestly, how many old monsters are left to convert?

Between Monster Manual, Monster Manual II, Fiend Folio, Tome of Horrors, other D&D books and the Scott Greene's Creature Catalog, pretty much all of the 1E monsters have now been converted.

I'm not really up to date on the plethora of 2E monsters, but surely many of those have also been converted as well?

Can you start listing some monsters that you'd like to see conversions of?

Cheers!

 

[Shemeska]

I'm not really up to date on the plethora of 2E monsters, but surely many of those have also been converted as well?

Can you start listing some monsters that you'd like to see conversions of?

Cheers!

Just randomly off the top of my head:

Baernaloth
Dergholoth (though it seems to have been in an issue of Dungeon, if anyone could clue me in to which one, I'd appreciate it)
Gacholoth
Hydroloth

Gear Spirits
Moignos

Varisoh
Quasielementals (all)
Darklights
Scile
Entropes
Tssng (sp? the natives of the Qplane of Mineral)

Most of the quasielemental critters, the paraelemental critters, and a nice chunk of the lesser planar (ie. non exemplar) critters have yet to be converted, or even given the time of day by WotC. I'd love to see the more important ones get converted eventually just to flesh out the ecology of their planes for folks who don't have access to the 2e material that goes into more detail. That's my one only real issue with WotC's treatment of monsters, that they really give no fully fleshed out details of note for a monster's place in its plane or origin/native ecology. The other beef being the random renaming of some of them. Parai being renamed as Visilights for example.

 

[Pants]

Can you start listing some monsters that you'd like to see conversions of?

Cheers!

Many 1st edition monsters were never converted in 2nd edition I believe (the flumph never was... was it) on account of them probably being 'too damn stupid.' Obviously, many critters from 2nd and 3rd edition fall into that category as well.

I just wonder if some cult-like following is going to spring up around the Ethereal Filcher or the Digester, just like what happened with the the flumph.

 

[MerricB]

FLUMPH!!!!

http://www.3rdedition.org/merricb/flumph.htm

Sorry about that... I have the 3E conversion of it, of course.

Hopefully a few of the Loths might get converted in those upcoming fiendish books.

Cheers!

 

[Gez]

Hydrodaemon, Derghodaemon, and, of course, the Flumph, are among the horrors of the Tome.

It's Sand Giant (MM3) vs. Sun Giant (MM2).

OK. I was too lazy to check, and my MM2 was just 2 meters away from me.


Another question: since there are warforged, is the (Living) subtype described? Can anyone with the book post it?

 

[Ranes]

If I really want to understand all the monsters then I either have to ask the other people in my group on a case-by-case basis (rather anti-climatic) or I have to get all the previous edition supplements as well. It's not strictly necessary, but there you go.

Surely not. The 3.x creatures are defined entirely in 3.x publications. If you want to become a previous edition buff, good for you but, to be fair, providing that kind of gaming history isn't within the remit of creature books for a particular edition. As a DM, you 'really understand' the critters when you're familiar with all the rules (publisher's or yours) you decide to use in your game. You owe previous editions diddly.