Most powerful feat ever?

[Nifft]

*Absolute weakest with the exception of the 3.0 eagle claw attack, which has the honor of being the absolute weakest feat in 3e's history.

Weapon Specialization: Net?

Cheers, -- N

 

[Quartz]

When you can do 30d6 at level 9, and one-shot just about anything the DM throws at your party...I'm thinking a bit much (Scorching Ray CL 11 which is 3 beams for 5d6 ea 2x is 30d6).

How do you get CL 11 at L9?

At 11th level, you're using Empowered and Twinned, so 6x 6d6 is 36d6 (126 HP average) anyway, each of which requires a ranged touch attack, and each of which is subject to DR. SR, and other spell effects. Minor Globe of Invulnerability would really ruin your day.

 

[Elethiomel]

Yep. I sure do.

2 Huge Air Elementals are going to take the fire giant apart much faster and more effectively than one Greenbound Elemental who can cast wall of thorns, 10 DR, fast healing, etc. Better yet, have two huge air elementals fight one greenborn air elemental. Grab some dice, a pencil and paper, and run a simulated battle between them and get back to us.

Any questions?

How do you reconcile the fact that Greenbound Summoning doesn't increase spell level with the supposed overpoweredness of things-that-double-other-things like Twin Ray? One greenbound huge air elemental vs two of whatever elementals you get out of a monster summoning however many levels lower the spell would have to be to be "twinnable" into the same slot - very different.

 

[Archimedes314]

Stormguard Warrior. I had a twink-gasm when I read it for the first time.

Also, I don't really think Leadership should be included in this discussion, it is simply too good. Typically in these kind of theoretical discussions you need to assume a highly permissive DM (any semi-competent DM without serious self-confidence issues is going to ban-hammer a lot of the things in this thread, thus effectively rendering their power moot), and with a highly permissive DM, Leadership, and a high diplomacy modifier I once literally took over a campaign world. 'Nuff said I think.

 

[Goldmoon]

In your opinion, what is the strongest, most overpowered, broken feat out there?


As for a more traditional great feat, I like the simple power attack with a two handed weapon. 2 for 1? Awesome! The damage can get ugly.

Heh, try it while mounted and charging, then add in Spirited charge. Power attack for 5 x2 for two handed =10 x3 for charging =30. thats 6x what you put into it. If you fugure that you get a +2 bouns to hit for charging then you really only give up 3 points of attack for 30 points of damage. Thats 10 to 1 Power attack damage!!!

 

[Zurai]

Heh, try it while mounted and charging, then add in Spirited charge. Power attack for 5 x2 for two handed =10 x3 for charging =30. thats 6x what you put into it. If you fugure that you get a +2 bouns to hit for charging then you really only give up 3 points of attack for 30 points of damage. Thats 10 to 1 Power attack damage!!!

Multipliers do not work that way. In D&D, a doubling of a doubling is a x3 bonus, not a x4. x2 * x3 = x4, not x6. Basically subtract 1 from the multiplier of every multiplier past the first and add them together. x2 * x2 * x2 = x4, not x8, etc.

 

[Archimedes314]

Multipliers do not work that way. In D&D, a doubling of a doubling is a x3 bonus, not a x4. x2 * x3 = x4, not x6. Basically subtract 1 from the multiplier of every multiplier past the first and add them together. x2 * x2 * x2 = x4, not x8, etc.

You are correct, but the multipliers are being applied to different quantities. Wielding a two-handed weapon multiplies your power attack bonus damage by two. This is then added to your total damage, which is multiplied by three (excepting variable damage like sneak attack). Now if he also had, say, a valorous weapon, then the multiplier to his total damage would be just x4, not x6.

 

[Bad Paper]

...that probably says more about ToB:Bo9S than it does about Power Attack....

yes, probably something like, "Finally a way to wiggle out from under the tyranny of Power Attack..."

 

[Nifft]

yes, probably something like, "Finally a way to wiggle out from under the tyranny of Power Attack..."

QFT.

Also phrased as, "Wait, my melee dude has choices?!"

Cheers, -- N

 

[Black Knight Irios]

Try Robilar's Gambit...funny things can happen...

Also phrased as, "Wait, my melee dude has choices?!"

Yes, exactly as many as your BAB...!