Most powerful feat ever?

[Nifft]

Yes, exactly as many as your BAB...!

You're setting up a "one-dimensional" joke here, aren't you?

Sorry, -- N

 

[Nifft]

How do you get CL 11 at L9?

At 11th level, you're using Empowered and Twinned, so 6x 6d6 is 36d6 (126 HP average) anyway, each of which requires a ranged touch attack, and each of which is subject to DR. SR, and other spell effects. Minor Globe of Invulnerability would really ruin your day.

1/ Spells aren't subject to DR unless they say they are.

2/ That's not how Twin Spell works; you'd need Split Ray instead.

3/ Split Ray only gives you +1 ray.

4/ Arcane Thesis raises your caster level (for your one special spell) by +2.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Cbas_10]

Vow of Poverty.

I have to say that my games are not populated by "Christmas Tree Characters", and I run a relatively low-magic Greyhawk setting (meaning PCs have roughly half of the standard/average accumulated wealth, compared to the DMG's estimates/suggestions). In a game where a DM does not throw tons of magic items out there like candy....the Vow vastly overpowers anything else.

A lot of you mentioned Leadership and the fact that having a cohort is so powerful. Well, yeah...if a player is able to custom-tailor a cohort to perfectly compliment the PC...it would certainly be quite powerful. Thus, I'd imagine, is the reason that the DMG specifically states that the DM determines any details beyond the basics: race, class, and alignment. Besides, there are plenty of other details and headaches given to the PC with this feat to make anyone at least hesitate before taking this feat.

 

[Dice4Hire]

*Absolute weakest with the exception of the 3.0 eagle claw attack, which has the honor of being the absolute weakest feat in 3e's history.

I don't know. Improved Initiative is way up there.

 

[Quartz]

1/ Spells aren't subject to DR unless they say they are.

Sorry, that was a typo for ER - energy resistance.

4/ Arcane Thesis raises your caster level (for your one special spell) by +2.

D'oh! :slaphead:

 

[Nail]

QFT.

Also phrased as, "Wait, my melee dude has choices?!"

Cheers, -- N

The issue was "most powerful", not "most choices".

The fact that ToB:Bo9S has more choices and is more powerful just adds more fuel to the fire.

 

[Zurai]

The fact that ToB:Bo9S has more choices and is more powerful just adds more fuel to the fire.

Prove that it is more powerful, since you say that it is a fact.

 

[jolt]

More powerful is not the same thing as too powerful. Is ToB: Bo9S too powerful? Eh. Is it more powerful than Core 3 Books only? Absolutely. If you read ToB: Bo9S and don't come away with that then you've skipped something. Is that "more power" needed? Maybe/ maybe not, but that wasn't the question.

jolt

 

[Zurai]

More powerful is not the same thing as too powerful. Is ToB: Bo9S too powerful? Eh. Is it more powerful than Core 3 Books only? Absolutely. If you read ToB: Bo9S and don't come away with that then you've skipped something. Is that "more power" needed? Maybe/ maybe not, but that wasn't the question.

jolt

I reject that Bo9S is even remotely close to being as powerful as any sorcerer, wizard, druid, or cleric. let alone more powerful. They're roughly as powerful as a power-attacking 2H barbarian - less powerful most levels, more powerful early on.

 

[Creamsteak]

This is a topic for another thread but:

It's pretty hard to beat the druid and cleric on the powermeter. Bo9S does seem to make paladins, monks, and fighters take a look though.