Most powerful undead?

[Greybar]

Lich is a great choice because it is based on a PC-like foundation. Sshhh don't tell my players, but I've been working on the big baddy using Upper_Krusts's monster creation system which has some nice flexibility notes. Anything you like for making a fun and flavorful PC can be used easily to make a Lich.

Lich from Cleric has a lot of oomph. I'd suggest tailor-making a domain of Undeath or Necromancy to pick up some of the nice arcane necromancy spells.

Lich from Wizard is mean, since it converts one of the great weaknesses of bad-guy-wizards (the d4 hit die) into a relative strength (a d12). In one of Blackdirge's recent articles, I noticed an item (from BoVD?) that lets an undead have an effect Constitution for the purposes of bonus hitpoints, which boosts that up even nicer.

john

 

[Voadam]

Hi. I'm working on a project of designing a kingdom/land mass in which almost everything (95%) is undead. But I'm having trouble deciding what sort of undead the "King" should be. What do you think is the most powerful, feared, and self-reliant undead type? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Gorilla

Self reliant would be a lich or mummy type.

Vampires, wights, and ghouls, all need to feed so they are less self reliant, liches and mummies can go for ages on nothing.

Incorporeal are tough but less able to rule directly because of their planar distance and problems interacting with the material world.

There are a ton of mummy templates, check out book of templates deluxe or the preview in my sig for GF Monsters for two that are independant and can be quite powerful templated mummies without the standard mummy rot.

 

[Piratecat]

A Pseudonatural Half-Fiend Paragon Gelatinuous Cube Lich Wizard?

Jiggle jiggle jiggle fireball!

 

[Navar]

I would vote for Dracolich. I know that this is just a Dragon with the Lich template, but they FREAK me out. I have never died to one or anything, but they are far and away the best villains out there. They are a little cheesy, but wow are they rough. If you can do the Eberron thing and not have alignment matter (or have some odd alignment games) A Silver Dracolich would be wrong. For some reason I associate Liches with Cold and Lightning so Silver Dragon Lich would be ideal.

My thoughts anyway.

 

[The Serge]

Demilich. All of the powers of a lich and then some. Immune to virtually everything. Trap the soul at will. Almost impossible to kill.

 

[Teslacoil1138]

I'd go for an Alhoon myself. Illithid liches are scary

 

[Sejs]

A Pseudonatural Half-Fiend Paragon Gelatinuous Cube Lich Wizard?

That's beautiful.

 

[Shemeska]

A Pseudonatural Half-Fiend Paragon Gelatinuous Cube Lich Wizard?

What, no wings or cleric levels?

Priceless I tell ya.

But as for powerful undead... I'm partial to liches myself, though you can always go the way of completely unique undead that keeps your players guessing just what the hell it might be. I created an NPC in my own campaign based upon 'Count Magnus' in the story of the same name by M.R. James, and it's an ongoing question of just what he is, even if he's undead or not.

 

[ruleslawyer]

Demilich. All of the powers of a lich and then some. Immune to virtually everything. Trap the soul at will. Almost impossible to kill.

Hi Serge!

First off, you need to update your sig to reflect the release of GoH Chapter 3 ; but...

A demilich doesn't seem appropriate to me for a few reasons. First, they're not really supposed to be so involved with the temporal world; a demilich could rule legions of undead if it desired, but I always thought the point was that they wouldn't actually ever bother to do so. Second, I've never been comfortable with the idea that a "demi"lich is so much more powerful than a lich to begin with; it seems like the original 1e demilich has gone the way of the dodo in favor of the Ravenloft demilich, which, as I said, is a creature nearly uninvolved with the temporal world.

Anyway, cast my vote for the lich. And while we're at it, you may wish to look at the seriously buffed-up lich templates at Dicefreaks:

http://community.dicefreaks.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1446

 

[Desdichado]

If you aren't dismissing Epic monsters an Atropal would be a good choice.

Yup, that's my vote right there. A half-fiendish, half-red dragon paragon 20th level wizard atropal.

Barring that, Orcus is always a good choice...