Motw: Shifter (and Shapechange spell)
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Vecna
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But if I have a Wizard with a lot of knowledges 10+ (Arcana, planes, nature, religion...) couldn't I have studied a lot of creatures reading books?
I don't remember the right name (Beastchasers?), but in T&B there is a group of wizards dedicated to the study of creatures.
I don't remember the right name (Beastchasers?), but in T&B there is a group of wizards dedicated to the study of creatures.
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The quote from the fixed poly spell "Nor can you turn into a variant form of a creature. For example you can turn he subject(sic) into an ogre, but not a half-dragon ogre." is somewhat misleading in my opinion. You cannot poly yourself into a half-dragon no matter what, because it has the type dragon, and you cannot assume any form with type dragon.
I think what the spell istrying to say, is that if you can normally turn yourself into form/shape "A", that does not automatically imply you can turn into form/shape half-A/half-something else.
As a counter example to the half-dragon ogre, a celestial ogre (if such a thing existed in your campaign) would be of type large giant, and you should be able to poly yourself into it.
As to the HD advanced creatures, I was really talking about size advanced ones. If a large gargoyle is just an older medium gargoyle, then you should be able to poly into a large one just as easily as into a medium one. Of course, you'd turn into an average medium or an average large one. If you cannot do this, then using greater wild shape to turn into a dragon (shifter level 7) would be really limited because you would only be able to assume one size category of dragons.
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I think what the spell istrying to say, is that if you can normally turn yourself into form/shape "A", that does not automatically imply you can turn into form/shape half-A/half-something else.
As a counter example to the half-dragon ogre, a celestial ogre (if such a thing existed in your campaign) would be of type large giant, and you should be able to poly yourself into it.
As to the HD advanced creatures, I was really talking about size advanced ones. If a large gargoyle is just an older medium gargoyle, then you should be able to poly into a large one just as easily as into a medium one. Of course, you'd turn into an average medium or an average large one. If you cannot do this, then using greater wild shape to turn into a dragon (shifter level 7) would be really limited because you would only be able to assume one size category of dragons.
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Tempuswolf
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ZYG said:
ZYG,
There is no restriction on changing into a dragon using polymorph self, only outsiders, undead, and constructs are prohibited by Type.
That being the case, there is nothing misleading about the half-dragon ogre example in the spell description. It is prohibited specifically because it is a variant form, namely a template.
Oooh, don't I look stupid now....Tempuswolf
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ZYG said:
The variant form limitation is grandfathered into greater wildshape since wildshape still has it, pg. 11 MotW top of the second column.
DireBear said:
Alertness, Endurance, 3rd level spell casting, alternate form attained by racial/class ability or spellcasting.
Tempuswolf
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Vecna said:
Yes.
