Moving diagonal 'through' enemie's squares

[morez]

The only limitation on running or charging through the "gap" is that you have to be moving in a straight line. So yes, it might be difficult, but it's certainly not impossible.

thanks for your replies first! i actually like the house rule though see its disadvantages (using hexes would cause only 6 medium foes for total surrounding)

charging in this case (imagine the target is actually at the diagonal line) would be like a pain in the @$$.. sorry but there is a lack of common sense in the RAW really.. hopefully my DM wont stick with that (he supposed to do that, ...really :\ )

is there any nice house rule that either blocks diagonal and also needs more than 4 foes for total surrounfing??

thanks for reply again...

 

[Legildur]

is there any nice house rule that either blocks diagonal and also needs more than 4 foes for total surrounfing??

I thought that Inigo Carmine's response above dealt with the whole issue? It was exactly the lines I was about to write a response on until I scrolled down and saw it.

Of course, the other option is to simply turn the whole square grid 45 degrees......

 

[TheGogmagog]

The only limitation on running or charging through the "gap" is that you have to be moving in a straight line. So yes, it might be difficult, but it's certainly not impossible.

Nope, Can't charge through diagonals:

Charge
Charging is a special full-round action that allows you to move up to twice your speed and attack during the action. However, it carries tight restrictions on how you can move.

Movement During a Charge
You must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent.

You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). Here’s what it means to have a clear path. First, you must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. (If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can’t charge.) Second, if any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can’t charge. (Helpless creatures don’t stop a charge.)

The line from the bottom right of C to the bottom Right of B passes through an occupied square. So you Can't charge through the diagonal. The same restriction does not exist for 5' steps or running though.

 

[Denaes]

Nope, Can't charge through diagonals:

The line from the bottom right of C to the bottom Right of B passes through an occupied square. So you Can't charge through the diagonal. The same restriction does not exist for 5' steps or running though.

Can you normally charge Diagonally?

A & D are occupied, but you never go through A&D. You're going through C & B.

Now if you can charge diagonally (which I thought you couldn't by RAW, which I also think is silly) A&D wouldn't stop you. You couldn't charge from C to B because that would only be 5 feet.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Nope, Can't charge through [occupied] diagonals:

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. You're correct.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Can you normally charge Diagonally?

Yes, you can.

A & D are occupied, but you never go through A&D. You're going through C & B.

Not quite. See, you have to determine if any line from your starting square passes through a square containing another creature. You can't just pick one possible line and be done with it.

And if you check all of the lines that extend from your starting square to the destination square, you'll find that many of them do pass through A or D.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Not quite. See, you have to determine if any line from your starting square passes through a square containing another creature. You can't just pick one possible line and be done with it.

And if you check all of the lines that extend from your starting square to the destination square, you'll find that many of them do pass through A or D.

I don't believe this is correct. When performing the "line test" I believe you draw the line from the center of your square to the center of the target square. Not "every possible line you can draw."

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't believe this is correct. When performing the "line test" I believe you draw the line from the center of your square to the center of the target square. Not "every possible line you can draw."

It says if any line passes through an occupied square.

Not if any line doesn't.

If a line from the bottom right corner of your square to the bottom right corner of his square passes through an occupied square, then you have found a line that satisfies the condition, and can't charge.

-Hyp.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

It says if any line passes through an occupied square.

Not if any line doesn't.

If a line from the bottom right corner of your square to the bottom right corner of his square passes through an occupied square, then you have found a line that satisfies the condition, and can't charge.

Yeesh, it looks like today is my day to be wrong about charging. :\

 

[Legildur]

Yeesh, it looks like today is my day to be wrong about charging. :\

You're not alone, he just got me over in the other thread on exactly the same point