Ms Marvel trailer

Ixal

Adventurer
I wondered at first why they would replace Brie Larson before realizing that its not Captain Marvel but Ms Marvel. That is one too many Marvel (Luckily we don't also have a DC Marvel).
And the change in powers certainly didn't help.

As for watching it, I ended my superhero cinema experience with Endgame (partially because of Covid) and don't see a reason yet to hop on again. Endgame was imo a perfect finish for a long story arc.
 

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Staffan

Legend
I wondered at first why they would replace Brie Larson before realizing that its not Captain Marvel but Ms Marvel. That is one too many Marvel (Luckily we don't also have a DC Marvel).
And the change in powers certainly didn't help.
In the comics, Carol Danvers started as Ms Marvel when she got her DNA scrambled with some of Captain Marvel's. After some time, she was ambushed by Rogue, who was at the time part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which resulted in her powers and memories being drained permanently. Xavier managed to rebuild most of her memories but they were more like the memories of someone else to her, with no emotional context. She hung out with the X-Men for a while and got dragged into their Brood Saga space adventure, where the Brood (basically, Alien knockoffs) experimented on her and noted that she still had potential for powers, and reawakened her abilities at a much higher level than before – in addition to being a typical brick, she could now also control and emit immensely powerful energy, and took the name Binary.

After hanging out with the Starjammers for a while, her powers mostly receded back to her Ms Marvel levels, and she rejoined the Avengers and changes her code name to Warbird. Then, in the House of M alternate reality crossover, she was Captain Marvel in her own right, and was considered that reality's "greatest hero". Some time later, she decided to switch to Captain Marvel in the 616 as well.

That's a whole lot of backstory, and a bit too complex for one movie, so in the movies she went straight to the Captain Marvel name.

Kamala Khan, on the other hand, started out as a fangirl of Danvers', and when she got her own powers she modeled her suit off the original Ms Marvel's (although significantly more modest).
 

In the comics, Carol Danvers started as Ms Marvel when she got her DNA scrambled with some of Captain Marvel's. After some time, she was ambushed by Rogue, who was at the time part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which resulted in her powers and memories being drained permanently. Xavier managed to rebuild most of her memories but they were more like the memories of someone else to her, with no emotional context. She hung out with the X-Men for a while and got dragged into their Brood Saga space adventure, where the Brood (basically, Alien knockoffs) experimented on her and noted that she still had potential for powers, and reawakened her abilities at a much higher level than before – in addition to being a typical brick, she could now also control and emit immensely powerful energy, and took the name Binary.

After hanging out with the Starjammers for a while, her powers mostly receded back to her Ms Marvel levels, and she rejoined the Avengers and changes her code name to Warbird. Then, in the House of M alternate reality crossover, she was Captain Marvel in her own right, and was considered that reality's "greatest hero". Some time later, she decided to switch to Captain Marvel in the 616 as well.

That's a whole lot of backstory, and a bit too complex for one movie, so in the movies she went straight to the Captain Marvel name.

Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.
The late night emergency rewrite (apparently) that led to Avengers 200 kind of set things in motion for Claremont and Avengers Annual 10...
 


Staffan

Legend
Honestly, its one of those overly-baroque character development lines that wouldn't even work in multiple movies. Usually something like that is the sign of multiple writers and editors pulling a character around in different directions, though I think a big part of that was just Chris Claremont's fault.
A lot of that was Claremont, but I think that was an effort to "reset" Carol after some more dubious plotlines that happened before she got attacked by Rogue. I didn't include that because it wasn't directly relevant to the name stuff.

But honestly, a big part of it is just that she's been around since what, the early 70s? That's like 50 years of character development, so there's going to be a lot of it. But it's only relatively recently that she's become an A-lister – post House of M, really.
 

A lot of that was Claremont, but I think that was an effort to "reset" Carol after some more dubious plotlines that happened before she got attacked by Rogue. I didn't include that because it wasn't directly relevant to the name stuff.

But honestly, a big part of it is just that she's been around since what, the early 70s? That's like 50 years of character development, so there's going to be a lot of it. But it's only relatively recently that she's become an A-lister – post House of M, really.

Yeah, but even at Marvel you didn't routinely see characters jerked around that much over that much time back then (now--from things I've heard--might be a different story). Carol got particularly erratically and mis-handled.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
Yeah, but even at Marvel you didn't routinely see characters jerked around that much over that much time back then (now--from things I've heard--might be a different story). Carol got particularly erratically and mis-handled.
It was the Avengers thing for a while, Hank Pym and the Maximoff's both had issues around then. Later the Vision and Wondeman.
 


Staffan

Legend
It was the Avengers thing for a while, Hank Pym and the Maximoff's both had issues around then. Later the Vision and Wondeman.
One of the advantages of a team book is that you're more free to jerk around individual characters, while the team as a whole goes on.

X-Men didn't have quite as much* of that sort of stuff, perhaps because it always (or at least since Claremont took over) had a pretty strong soap opera thing going. And probably because the X-Men always had pretty big external pressures. But generally speaking, if an X-Man goes bad, it's probably because of mind control or something of that sort.

* Which does not mean "none" – Dark Phoenix is a pretty big face-heel-turn...
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
So that means you don't like any of the Spider-Man films either? Set in high school, after all. Or is it because they actually chose an actress who is close to her character's age, rather then being 8-12 years older than the character?
Maybe it's not your false dichotomy, but rather because the tone of the preview was very teenage Disney show.
 

MGibster

Legend
According to Wiki it was 1990. I certainly never came across the character when I was comic-reading age.
Moon Knight first appeared in the series Werewolf by Night in 1975. According to Wiki, his first solo series was in 1980. I remember having stats for Moon Knight in TSR's Marvel superheroes game in the 80s. Though, honestly, I can't remember ever reading a Moon Knight comic in the 80s though he appeared in some other books I read.
So that means you don't like any of the Spider-Man films either? Set in high school, after all. Or is it because they actually chose an actress who is close to her character's age, rather then being 8-12 years older than the character?
It looks to me like Ms Marvel is aimed at a younger audience which isn't a bad thing. I think it looks pretty good too, but I don't think it's going to be a show for me. Which, again, is fine. I think it's great their producing a good superhero show for younger viewers. But I'm one of those weirdos who can be happy when I see others enjoying something I'm not into. But I'm going to watch a few episodes at some point I'm sure. Without exception, the Marvel shows have been top notch.
 

Hex08

Adventurer
I know some people here are not sure about this show, but just remember that after this, Ms Marvel will be a bigger part of the MCU, costarring in the next Captain Marvel movie, and who knows what else besides that. So better to watch this and get used to her now.
Seeing her in The Marvels is where I am most excited to see Ms. Marvel. Captain Marvel is a longtime favorite of mine from the comics, so I always look forward to her appearances and I really like Brie Larson in the role. I am also curious, after seeing Monica Rambeau in WandaVision, where they take her character.
 

Hex08

Adventurer
The late night emergency rewrite (apparently) that led to Avengers 200 kind of set things in motion for Claremont and Avengers Annual 10...
I read Avengers 200 when it originally came out and since I was just a kid I didn't see any of the problems with the story that my adult-self now finds painfully obvious. Thankfully, Claremont did his best to address it in his Avengers annual. However, the George Perez art in Avengers 200 is still awesome.
 
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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Moon Knight first appeared in the series Werewolf by Night in 1975. According to Wiki, his first solo series was in 1980. I remember having stats for Moon Knight in TSR's Marvel superheroes game in the 80s. Though, honestly, I can't remember ever reading a Moon Knight comic in the 80s though he appeared in some other books I read.
He was my friend's favorite hero in the 80's and he had his own comic from 1980 to I want to say the mid to late 80's. Hard to remember after all this time.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Likely, some avoiding stepping on the inevitable Mr Richards arrival by mirroring his abilities as well.
Yeah I understand why they changed it - undercutting Reed Richards schtik, better link with the “Captain Marvel set” and stretching looks kinda dumb on screen. But it does seem that with the energy constructs they have inadvertently undercut Sue Richards since I recall her doing the air walk trick with her ‘invisible force fields’ too
Then of course the Green Lantern parralels (sux to you WBDC)

it looks to be aimed at the younger Nickolodean demographic, which is cool - I love the MCU for its abity to adapt different genre to the Supers trope (that seems backwards). I’ll give it a watch, they might surprise us
 

Hex08

Adventurer
Then of course the Green Lantern parralels (sux to you WBDC)
I'm thinking since it's a Marvel character, especially since there are arm bands reminiscent of his Quantum Bands, that comparisons to Quasar are more appropriate than Green Lantern.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I'm thinking since it's a Marvel character, especially since there are arm bands reminiscent of his Quantum Bands, that comparisons to Quasar are more appropriate than Green Lantern.
Yeah maybe, but Quasar is really obscure and has never been referenced in the MCU - we havent even got Nova, despite the Nova Corps being a thing, so I dont think Quasars on the radar. If they have made Kamala the Quasar proxy then I’d be sad…

My first thought regarding the bands was that Shang-Chi‘s ring were already turned into bands, so these bracelets would fit that model too (Scorcerers have been shown with energy bands around their wrists too, so it seems to have become an MCU motif)
 
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It is the sign of a character that's been around since 1977. A four decade history will sound complicated when you cram it into a paragraph.
Usually during that period characters didn't go through quite that many backflips, though (in the last decade or so, this appears to be less true).
 

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