multiple ray sneak attacks

melkoriii · Sep 23, 2003

Hmmm is that new?

I know that heighten actualy changes the spells lvl but the other meta-magic feats do not.

youspoonybard · Sep 23, 2003

Deja vu?

Hypersmurf · Sep 23, 2003

melkoriii said:
Hmmm is that new?

I know that heighten actualy changes the spells lvl but the other meta-magic feats do not.

Other Metamagic feats do not change the spell level for purposes of calculating DCs, minimum ability score, penetrating Globes of Invulnerability, but they are considered spells of the higher level for item creation purposes.

It's been that way since 3E.

-Hyp.

Nifft · Sep 23, 2003

Magic Slim said:
And Nifft, maybe that's not the best example (Heightened) since that meta-magic feat works a little differently than the others.

Yeah -- you get to choose the level that your spell is boosted to. That's the only difference. A Wand of Empowered Foo is the same price as a Wand of Heightened (+2) Foo.*

The other thing to note is that I did not choose the example -- it's the only Metamagic Feat applied to Wands in the SRD.

-- N

* I use this as the basis for pricing Rods of Metamagic (Heighten).

Pax · Sep 24, 2003

Magic Slim said:
In 3.0, when you made multiple simultaneous attacks, only the first one would deliver sneak attack damage. Has this changed in 3.5?

That is not correct. It was true during playest, but it was not true in the published 3.0 rules. Nor has it become true in the published 3.5 rules.

Creamsteak · Sep 24, 2003

melkoriii said:
Hmmm is that new?

I know that heighten actualy changes the spells lvl but the other meta-magic feats do not.

It's not new, you've just been ignoring it.

Hypersmurf · Sep 24, 2003

Pax said:
It was true during playest, but it was not true in the published 3.0 rules. Nor has it become true in the published 3.5 rules.

Pax - not multiple attacks delivered separately (iterative attacks, two weapon fighting, rapid shot, etc), but multiple damage sources delivered in a single attack.

Manyshot. 3E Shuriken. The Orb spells from Tome and Blood. All of those could only deliver Sneak Attack damage on the first damage source. (Strictly, by the rules, if you threw three shuriken, only the first star, not the first hit, could be a sneak attack... so if your first missed and second and third hit, there was no Sneak Attack damage.)

If Scorching Ray follows the pattern of the Orb spells, only the first ray is eligible for sneak attack, since all three rays are in fact a single "attack" - even tough they use separate rolls and can be aimed at separate targets. Contrast this with Chill Touch, which requires a separate "attack" for each touch - if you want to deliver more than one in a round, you need to use a Full Attack Action after the spell has been cast.

-Hyp.

Magic Slim · Sep 24, 2003

Pax said:
That is not correct. It was true during playest, but it was not true in the published 3.0 rules. Nor has it become true in the published 3.5 rules.

As Hypersmurf said (1 more for 6000!). The shuriken issue was clarified in the FAQ I believe? That or in a chat.

Slim