Mystic Theurge and Precocious Apprentice

[Hypersmurf]

Incoming thread hijack!

So, from the SRD:

So doesn't this mean that the character can only Take 10 on CL checks outside of combat? And if so--how is this worth a feat, exactly? The number of situations where such an ability would come in handy seem very few and far between...

Or am I missing something?

Complete Arcane Errata:
Page 73: Arcane Mastery
You can use this feat even while under stress.

-Hyp.

 

[Abraxas]

I am currently DMing a group and have allowed a player to use the Precocious Spellcaster feat to meet the prereqs for the Arcane Heirophant PrC (the character is a druid/warmage). Soon I'll get to see how much abuse that combo can generate (because the Arcane Heirophant looks slightly overpowered). But I'm not too worried.

 

[Arbiter of Wyrms]

Well, both start out as cleric, of course.

The Precocious Apprentice won't be available to a Clr1 or to a character above 1st level, will it? If memory serves, this build, if it's allowed demands:
Wiz1
Wiz1/Clr1
Wiz1/Clr2
Wiz1/Clr3
Wiz1/Clr3/MT1. . .

Have I forgotten something?

 

[Scion]

You should check your math on calculating averages, the average on a d4 is 2.5 or (in D&D terms) 2 and 3 alternating, for example. That's how monster hp are calculated and that's how the hp I wrote up there came along, too. Half the HD is below average.

Besides, if you used half the HD, then the clr9 should have 40 not 44 hp.

Lets see.. cleric 9 means 8 + 8*4.5 = 44
wiz 1/clr3/mt6 is 4 + 3*4.5 + 6*2.5 = 32.5

So, I am still not sure how you get your numbers, they just dont add up properly.

Well, both start out as cleric, of course.

Not if you want to take the precocious apprentice feat. To get it you have to take it at first level and have 1st level arcane caster.


As for 'too strong' that is a difficult call. Arguements could be made for both sides of that fence when comparing with the straight cleric.

 

[Scion]

The Precocious Apprentice won't be available to a Clr1 or to a character above 1st level, will it? If memory serves, this build, if it's allowed demands:
Wiz1
Wiz1/Clr1
Wiz1/Clr2
Wiz1/Clr3
Wiz1/Clr3/MT1. . .

Have I forgotten something?

nope, you have it.

Being cleric at first level definately improves surviveability, that is one of the things that a guy with this feat has to give up.

 

[Thanee]

So, I am still not sure how you get your numbers, they just dont add up properly.

They do, but...

Not if you want to take the precocious apprentice feat. To get it you have to take it at first level and have 1st level arcane caster.

Ah, havn't read the feat again, I thought you could pick it up at 3rd, too... then that's the 2 hp difference, if you have to start out as a wizard.

Bye
Thanee

 

[B4cchus]

The Precoc. apprentice is one of those 1st level feats, so your first level is wizard (i took specialist for this combo, sinsce i'll have more than enough cleric spells to make up for the two lost schools, and i have one spell/lvl more).

 

[Kilroy]

I did something similar, taking a level of Diviner and Precocious Apprentice to qualify for MT, but only because I wanted to use MT to advance my Warlock caster level instead of my diviner level, and I wanted to miss as few levels of Warlock as possible. Warlock doesn't qualify for MT by itself, unfortunantly. (Currently playing a Diviner 1/Warlock 3/Monk 1/Ur Priest 2/Mystic Theurge 4/Contemplative 1, in all its horridly munchkin resplendent glory.)

 

[Thanee]

Hope you calculate Ur-Priest caster level right at least... 6th in the above case.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hope you calculate Ur-Priest caster level right at least... 6th in the above case.

I give up... why 6th and not 7th?

His caster level is his Ur-Priest level, plus half his levels in other spellcasting classes. Since Warlock is not a spellcasting class, his only other spellcasting class is Diviner, and half of 1 is 0 by D&D maths.

Mystic Theurge and Contemplative add a total of five spellcasting levels to a divine spellcasting class, and since Ur-Priest is his only divine spellcasting class, that must be the one they're adding to.

So I get 2 + 5 = 7.

-Hyp.