Need some help

[Endency]

This is kinda long(ish)

Ok, so one of my friends (for whatever reason) wants to have a D&D PvP arena style fight. I believe is a free for all between 4? people, myself included. Now there are a few simple rules. Level 16, only player handbook races, no enchanted gear, one class/prestige class. Now having some form of a template is up in the air it really depends on which one so just in case lets say no templates, and we can be any class we want I believe.

So what I wanted to ask is, what class would have a good chance of winning this fight. Also I have no idea what my friends are going to be...

 

[Theroc]

PHB only for classes?

CoDZilla.

 

[Endency]

PHB only for classes?

CoDZilla.

PHB only for races

we can have classes from other books

 

[Dandu]

This is kinda long(ish)

Ok, so one of my friends (for whatever reason) wants to have a D&D PvP arena style fight. I believe is a free for all between 4? people, myself included. Now there are a few simple rules. Level 16, only player handbook races, no enchanted gear, one class/prestige class. Now having some form of a template is up in the air it really depends on which one so just in case lets say no templates, and we can be any class we want I believe.

So what I wanted to ask is, what class would have a good chance of winning this fight. Also I have no idea what my friends are going to be...

Anyone with flying will automatically be at a huge advantage over melee characters due to the no magical gear stipulation.

Woe be to he who plays a monk...

 

[Kyros Pyralis]

Human - LE - Monk 6(PHB)/ Ur-Priest 10(Book of Vile Darkness)

Focus Wis for high AC and bonus spells. 10th level Ur-Priest can cast 9th level spells.

Feats:
Human Feat: Dodge (PHB)
L1 Feat: Mobility (PHB)
Monk Bonus Feat L1: Stunning Fist (PHB)
Monk Bonus Feat L2: Combat Reflexes (PHB)
L3 Feat: Combat Focus(PHB2)
L6 Feat: Spring Attack (PHB)
Monk Bonus Feat L6: Improved Trip (Learn how to use trip attacks, they are amazing against humanoid opponents) (PHB)
L9 Feat: Extra Stunning (Complete Warrior)
L12 Feat: Comabt Defense (PHB2)
L15 Feat: Combat Vigor (PHB2)

You can go around slinging spells and spring attacking while stunning opponents.

Don't forget, you can cast a touch spell through an unarmed strike if you miss on your first attempt.

With Combat Focus you can gain +4 willpower, Fasthealing 4, and immediate change of dodge target with +1 AC to dodge for 13 rounds after you make a successful melee attack.

Woe be to he who plays a monk...

Ur-Priest makes it all better. (also, you're the one who showed me the Ur-Priest on an earlier thread of mine ;-])

 

[Dandu]

Ur-Priest makes it all better. (also, you're the one who showed me the Ur-Priest on an earlier thread of mine ;-])

I'm tempted to discount your argument because Ur Priest makes most things better.

I'd go with something along the lines of, say, an arcane caster with flight and invisibility. Get out of their reach and do some thing unpleasant, such as using Polymorph Any Object on the ceiling/floor to turn it into lava or aqua regia, or casting Reverse Gravity and watching them fall up.

 

[Kyros Pyralis]

I'm tempted to discount your argument because Ur Priest makes most things better.

I'd go with something along the lines of, say, an arcane caster with flight and invisibility. Get out of their reach and do some thing unpleasant, such as using Polymorph Any Object on the ceiling/floor to turn it into lava or aqua regia, or casting Reverse Gravity and watching them fall up.

I'm assuming that the other people will naturally gravitate towards spellcasters as well, so evasion will be useful. Although it may be a better idea to focus his feats completely toward spellcasting rather than what I had originally suggested.

 

[green slime]

I'm gonna ignore the Ur-Priest, because it is such an obviously idiotic PrC. It takes PrC to a whle new level of idiocy. The designer should be dragged through the streets, tarred, and run out of town. And the editor incuding in the book it was published in should suffer the same fate. Flavourwise, ruleswise, it's just stupid. It is the epitome of everything wrong in 3e.

That said, never underestimate the defensive staying power of a divine spellcaster.

A divine spellcaster avoids combat until the others have slaughtered each other, and the last spellcater has used up all their offensive spell repitoire.

A common mistake is to feel like you have force an action. Don't. Let them make the mistakes.

Via fairly simple means, a high level cleric can render himself untargetable for a surprisingly long amount of time. Play the waiting game. The wizard's invisibility wears off after a while. Fog Cloud, Darkness, Obscuring Mist, & Meld into stone, are your friends. Those arcane spellcasters will likely be focusing on the offensive, and unlikely to have considered counters to your defences. Unable to carry backup items (scrolls, wands, potions), just makes their cause even more precarious.

IMX most players are far too impatient in these kind of exercises. Why chase you, when there is another perfectly visible character (detect invisibility, anyone?) within range?

In a freeforall, even if you do have the most powerful character, making yourself obviously the most powerful, is a very dangerous tactic, as the survivors are more likely to gang up against you. Even a Monk/Ur-priest has difficulty keeping up with the actions of two equal-level opponents.

 

[Theroc]

Perhaps I'm just dumb, but what makes an Ur-Priest so powerful? He seems to be just an evil, nonworshipping Cleric who can't channel Divine energy until... 2nd or 3rd level?

 

[Jhaelen]

I'm gonna ignore the Ur-Priest, because it is such an obviously idiotic PrC. It takes PrC to a whle new level of idiocy. The designer should be dragged through the streets, tarred, and run out of town. And the editor incuding in the book it was published in should suffer the same fate. Flavourwise, ruleswise, it's just stupid. It is the epitome of everything wrong in 3e.

I kinda like the flavour. It's also a useful npc prestige class. Of course it shouldn't ever be available to pcs

In that respect it's similar to the Defiler Druid prestige class (cannot remember what it's actually called, right now) for fallen druids that enjoy destroying nature.

[MENTION=83115]Theroc[/MENTION]: Did you check out the spell progression?