Nerfed Wildshape?

LGodamus · Jun 30, 2003

All those are (ex) abilities for dinosaurs..so nope

ForceUser · Jun 30, 2003

I play a druid and I've given this some thought. Let's weigh the gains and losses of the new wildshape:

Gains in 3.5

Wild shape is now a supernatural ability instead of a spell-like ability. This means that wild shaping no longer provokes an attack of opportunity in a threatened space. This is huge.
You can now wild shape into dire animals at levels lower than 12th.
You can now wild shape into plant creatures at 12th.

Losses in 3.5

You no longer gain the extraordinary abilities of the creatures you wild shape into, such as blindsight or scent.

Hmm. I think I can live with 3.5 wildshape. :b

Tsyr · Jun 30, 2003

Very stupid. Already house-ruled out, and I havn't even got the books yet.

youspoonybard · Jun 30, 2003

LGodamus said:
All those are (ex) abilities for dinosaurs..so nope

You do get the special attack routines. Those would all pass. You just don't automatically get ALL ex abilities anymore.

Tsyr · Jun 30, 2003

ForceUser said:
I play a druid and I've given this some thought. Let's weigh the gains and losses of the new wildshape:

Gains in 3.5

Wild shape is now a supernatural ability instead of a spell-like ability. This means that wild shaping no longer provokes an attack of opportunity in a threatened space. This is huge.

You can now wild shape into dire animals at levels lower than 12th.

You can now wild shape into plant creatures at 12th.

Losses in 3.5

You no longer gain the extraordinary abilities of the creatures you wild shape into, such as blindsight or scent.

Hmm. I think I can live with 3.5 wildshape. :b

I'd trade all of those "gains" for that one "loss", and not look back.

Pielorinho · Jun 30, 2003

Tsyr said:
I'd trade all of those "gains" for that one "loss", and not look back.

Power-wise, I think the gains outweigh the losses. Flavor-wise, I don't think there really *are* any gains.

Daniel

youspoonybard · Jun 30, 2003

Sigh...those aren't the real gains.

"The 3.5 druid doesn't want Eschew Materials, she wants Natural Spell.

This feat allows a character to complete verbal and somatic components while in wild shape, and lets her use material components and focuses even if such items are melded within her current form.

And it's not a metamagic feat, so there's no spell slot adjustment.
Andy Collins
Senior Designer
Wizards of the Coast Roleplaying R&D"

and this:

"In 3.5, when a character uses polymorph or any similar effect to change form, his equipment either remains worn or held (if possible) or melds and becomes nonfunctional. Thus, wild shaping druids should be able to "hold on to" many more items than normal.

As a DM, I'd adjudicate this as loosely as possible--if I can even conceive of the possibility that the new form could wear the item in a manner similar to the normal form, I'd let it stick around.
Andy Collins
Senior Designer
Wizards of the Coast Roleplaying R&D".

This is how Wild Shape got boosted.

DM_Matt · Jun 30, 2003

Basically, you can get all those weaksauce abilities like Pounce, Rend, Rake, Trample, Improved Grab, and Swallow Whole (often several at once), but not rediculously overpowered stuff like Scent or Low-Light Vision...

Wolfspider · Jun 30, 2003

Sure, those are powerful gains, but the one single loss is stupid, in my opinion, and illogical.

Tsyr · Jun 30, 2003

Pielorinho said:
Power-wise, I think the gains outweigh the losses. Flavor-wise, I don't think there really *are* any gains.

Daniel

Well, yeah. From a min/max, combat-monkey perspective, sure. There's no comparison.

It's just stupid.

I become a wolf. With a human nose stuck on. Or I become an owl... with human eyeballs.