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The shen. Yet another reason im convinced that in d&d "asian" is not racial. Its a template.And I imagine the shens (from Oriental Adventures) like the cousins of elves from Eastern lands.
The shen. Yet another reason im convinced that in d&d "asian" is not racial. Its a template.And I imagine the shens (from Oriental Adventures) like the cousins of elves from Eastern lands.
Those are cool but we need ELVES
ELVES OF ALL SORTS
BATS AND DOGS AND INSECTS
Excuse me
There's a webcomic like that. Ballad of Adler YoungThose are cool but we need ELVES
ELVES OF ALL SORTS
BATS AND DOGS AND INSECTS
Excuse me
Doesn't count. They are just altered drow. Therefore not viable for a seperate big type for a seperate alignment block. Now...if you associate them to a new bug then we're getring somewhere. But otherwise they are just abnormal CE SPIDER BUGELVES. Excuse me.
Ive mostly just though it generally refered to elves "in the dark", "of the dark", or "from the dark", tbh. Not really dark skin. ALTHOUGH dark skin would make sense. Camoflage. If "sighted" creatures and biolumineacence is something they will often fi d themselves aroud, which, in the under dark, is a thing.I think Scandinavian dark elves actually just referred to them living underground in the dark rather than necessarily being dark skinned. And depending on who is translating they were elves or dwarves. I think we are referring to the svartalfar. Not an expert on this. These seem to be vary by region and translation to me.
Sorry. Never really messed much with shadar kai. Got my 5e mixed up with my 3e. And i guess they arent related to drow. Woops.Shadar Kai are not Altered Drow. Heck until rescently they weren't even elves. And they aren't evil. And if you want to give them a bug, I'd suggesf Moths.
Bats.Shadar Kai are not Altered Drow. Heck until rescently they weren't even elves. And they aren't evil. And if you want to give them a bug, I'd suggesf Moths.
Yes. Yes, bats are arthropods. I say give the emofey bats.Bats.
Ah, yes, but it's not entirely obvious which came first. I don't think Loth was mentioned when drow first appeared in Against the Giants. Are Drow a matriarchy because of their spider fetish, or where they given a spider fetish because they are a matriarchy?the evil matriarchy thing is actually also quite easy to explain. The answer? Spiders. Its actually a spider thing. Spiders are envisioned as cruel, sadistic, predatory and the females are typically overwhelmingly dominant among their kind. Unchallangeable.
Was there ever really a difference? Remember that much of the world still thinks of elves as little people.I think Scandinavian dark elves actually just referred to them living underground in the dark rather than necessarily being dark skinned. And depending on who is translating they were elves or dwarves. I think we are referring to the svartalfar. Not an expert on this. These seem to be vary by region and translation to me.
Ah, yes, but it's not entirely obvious which came first. I don't think Loth was mentioned when drow first appeared in Against the Giants. Are Drow a matriarchy because of their spider fetish, or where they given a spider fetish because they are a matriarchy?
That is not to say that I think Gygax was sexist - but it's how things are interpreted now that matters, not the original intent.
The current issue with skin tone seems to be largely misunderstood though. I don't think it's the evilness that is the issue. It's more a case of "non-white actors have a tough enough job getting parts, without white actors "stealing" non-white characters".
What no one has mentioned yet though are the tentacle rods...
Listening to NADDPOD right now, and it has honestly made me add Creek and Field Elves as canon to my Forgotten Realms campaign... got to have me elves with a West Country and Louisiana swamp accents!
my hopes were smacked around like a “Mommie Dearest” marathon...
Ah, yes, but it's not entirely obvious which came first. I don't think Loth was mentioned when drow first appeared in Against the Giants. Are Drow a matriarchy because of their spider fetish, or where they given a spider fetish because they are a matriarchy?
The current issue with skin tone seems to be largely misunderstood though. I don't think it's the evilness that is the issue. It's more a case of "non-white actors have a tough enough job getting parts, without white actors "stealing" non-white characters".
What no one has mentioned yet though are the tentacle rods...
It's a movie, there won't be time to go into the details of drow society and religion, even if you wanted to. All you will see on screen is a bunch of generic fantasy mooks (possibly) lead by a female villain. That won't have any connotations that aren't shared with any film with a female villain, e.g. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.The fact that your evil, man enslaving (let's not forget that part) matriarchy worships a BLACK WIDOW spider is an optic that is going to cause all sorts of issues.
Its a purple widowDoes it matter? Is the average person going to care which came first?
The fact that your evil, man enslaving (let's not forget that part) matriarchy worships a BLACK WIDOW spider is an optic that is going to cause all sorts of issues. There are just far, far too many connections there. Perhaps the whole Black Widow (a woman who entices men to marry only to kill them for their money) isn't a concept outside of the English speaking world, but, it's certainly going to resonate within it.
Except of course most RL creatures of the dark mostly lack pigment and are nearly white.Ive mostly just though it generally refered to elves "in the dark", "of the dark", or "from the dark", tbh. Not really dark skin. ALTHOUGH dark skin would make sense. Camoflage. If "sighted" creatures and biolumineacence is something they will often fi d themselves aroud, which, in the under dark, is a thing.
"Hall" also introduces EHP'SS Eclavdra, a drow priestess. The funky abbreviation stands for "Evil High Priest('ess)". She reappears in D3: "Vault of the Drow" (1978), which also reveals her familial name, Eilservs. Eclavdra has been a major recurring villain over the years and also appeared in Gygax's Gord novels. She appropriately makes an appearance in the Against the Giants novel (1999), where she's killed.
Finally, "Hall" offers more hints about the Elder Elemental God, who was first alluded to in G1: "Steading of the Hill Giant Chief". This time around, the strange god is featured in the "Temple of the Eye", on level 2 of the Hall. Again, there aren't a lot of details. The Lovecraftian tentacles and insanity recur, while a big glowing eye appears for the first time. D3: "Vault of the Drow" would finally reveal that this Temple (and presumably the one in "Steading") was a "Temple of the Eye of the Elder Elemental God", a god worshiped by the Eilservs, who would largely disappear from D&D lore after the initial appearances in the "G" and "D" adventures."
Im well aware. But the underdark isnt like RL caves. Its filled with dim light and semi frequent surface interlopers with normal vision.Except of course most RL creatures of the dark mostly lack pigment and are nearly white.