New Game of Death: Battle Royale of the GAWDS
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Well, we were warned that the gods would intervene in the battle. Also, you get points for killing the monsters - the kobold is within charge range for you reapersaurus, so you essentially get some free points. Kill the creature, get the stone back, and net some points while you're at it.
Finally, it seems that there's a table for the divine interventions, so he's not going to be acting just to screw one character he doesn't like.
Characters couldn't really plan for the terrain either. I doubt Icitrik Ownsjoo really wants to be up on the cliff all that much, since he's a melee character. These kobolds aren't much different from the Disjunction Fields and walls of fire in GoD 2, and will probably be easier to remove from the equation.
Finally, it seems that there's a table for the divine interventions, so he's not going to be acting just to screw one character he doesn't like.
Characters couldn't really plan for the terrain either. I doubt Icitrik Ownsjoo really wants to be up on the cliff all that much, since he's a melee character. These kobolds aren't much different from the Disjunction Fields and walls of fire in GoD 2, and will probably be easier to remove from the equation.
Well, since I'm part of the game I'll throw my 2 cents in to.
From what I have seen so for in the game, it is being run just as was described in the orig write-up.
I think the Kobold's with the nets is great and might have to steal those some time for a con game.
JDragon
AKA Harsel
From what I have seen so for in the game, it is being run just as was described in the orig write-up.
I think the Kobold's with the nets is great and might have to steal those some time for a con game.
JDragon
AKA Harsel
reapersaurus
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well, again I'm in the situation where I can't say anything or it's perceived as being contrary, but ...
Berk - if all I had to worry about was the other characters, than I'm quite sure I would have dominated the game with my original character build.
But that wouldn't have been fun, for all concerned, and that's why I changed it without questioning (as clockwork demanded).
Victim: I'm not interested in gaining points by taking out hurdles that clockwork puts in the way, I want to take out characters. (no offense
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Number47 - what you said unfortunately insinuated that Therron and Jade are one-dimensional characters, and/or that ioun stones can make someone too powerful? (I'm not saying you said that, I'm saying it read in that direction)
I don't know what exactly you mean by a "one-dimensional character", so it's hard to discuss.
Are you thinking that everyone's characters has a backstory and roleplaying reason to be in this Game?
Or do you mean one-dimensional, as in relying on one strategy?
For my situation, my characters have multi-pronged attacks and defenses, and the ioun stone is not a crucial aspect. It was a defense against what other people have described as kinda "cheesy spells" that other people throw in these games.
Terraism- I'm quite sure that Therron and Jade did not annoy the Gawds - clockwork is pissed at ME, and is taking it out on my characters, and has been doing so for days now (with almost every aspect of the generation process).
If that's the last thing he does directly against my characters, I'd be shocked.
If he spreads out the punishment of the Gawds evenly, than I say "All for it!"
As for my characters displeasing the Gawds (assuming that it was random or in-character), they are worshipers of the GAWDS, very respectful, and gave reverance to the Pantheon with their first actions, and didn't turn invisible.
Hard to see why ioun stones of Therron's were targetted over anyone else's.
As long as we in the game are clear about what things are In-Character, role-playing aspects, and what things are out-of-character, personal, non-random events, than that would be make me feel better.
Berk - if all I had to worry about was the other characters, than I'm quite sure I would have dominated the game with my original character build.
But that wouldn't have been fun, for all concerned, and that's why I changed it without questioning (as clockwork demanded).
Victim: I'm not interested in gaining points by taking out hurdles that clockwork puts in the way, I want to take out characters. (no offense
)Number47 - what you said unfortunately insinuated that Therron and Jade are one-dimensional characters, and/or that ioun stones can make someone too powerful? (I'm not saying you said that, I'm saying it read in that direction)
I don't know what exactly you mean by a "one-dimensional character", so it's hard to discuss.
Are you thinking that everyone's characters has a backstory and roleplaying reason to be in this Game?
Or do you mean one-dimensional, as in relying on one strategy?
For my situation, my characters have multi-pronged attacks and defenses, and the ioun stone is not a crucial aspect. It was a defense against what other people have described as kinda "cheesy spells" that other people throw in these games.
Terraism- I'm quite sure that Therron and Jade did not annoy the Gawds - clockwork is pissed at ME, and is taking it out on my characters, and has been doing so for days now (with almost every aspect of the generation process).
If that's the last thing he does directly against my characters, I'd be shocked.
If he spreads out the punishment of the Gawds evenly, than I say "All for it!"
As for my characters displeasing the Gawds (assuming that it was random or in-character), they are worshipers of the GAWDS, very respectful, and gave reverance to the Pantheon with their first actions, and didn't turn invisible.
Hard to see why ioun stones of Therron's were targetted over anyone else's.
As long as we in the game are clear about what things are In-Character, role-playing aspects, and what things are out-of-character, personal, non-random events, than that would be make me feel better.
I am quite confident in my own gaming abilities to survive against anything. I have been doing that for almost 15 years now, 2/3rd's of my life. I personally would have welcomed your original character for the challenge if you say it is as good as it was. I am quite confident in my own abilities as a gamer and the abilities my character has to overcome it. Can't say I would 100%, but I wouldn't say it would be easy for your character.
Wether clockwork is pissed at you or not shouldn't put an impact on what is happening. You knew he had final say over what characters get in. If he had you recreate your character then there musta been something wrong with it that he, as the DM, having final say, found. If not then you know what, it doesn't matter cuz he is the DM. He decides what goes and what doesn't. Anyways, seeing the attack on your ioun stone as being personal is just childish and trivial at best.
Victim
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Well, based on your comment about keeping Theron between the lich and Jade, I figured you might be heading north anyway. In that case, it would be a pretty trivial matter for you to drive by the poor kobold ioun stone hunter with a shield bash.
Icitrik Ownsjoo also had a stone targeted, but the kobold missed the attack. Between Therron and Jade, you had the largest collection of ioun stones (5) on map 2, and Icitrik had the next largest (4). A kobold equiped for stealing ioun stones appeared near each of you. Coincidence?
Finally, one of the emails I recieved when asking if I should send in a move right away, or wait to see what the gods do refered to a rolled event. So I doubt that the Ioun stone hunters were made just to hinder you any more than the walking invisibility purge was made to hinder Vraketh.
Icitrik Ownsjoo also had a stone targeted, but the kobold missed the attack. Between Therron and Jade, you had the largest collection of ioun stones (5) on map 2, and Icitrik had the next largest (4). A kobold equiped for stealing ioun stones appeared near each of you. Coincidence?
Finally, one of the emails I recieved when asking if I should send in a move right away, or wait to see what the gods do refered to a rolled event. So I doubt that the Ioun stone hunters were made just to hinder you any more than the walking invisibility purge was made to hinder Vraketh.
clockworkjoe
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I am in central standard time (america). It is 12:55 AM as I type this. Does that help?
Also, about unfairness/acts of god etc. I have a list of events that can happen (each event can only happen once) and I add more items to the list anytime I think of them. This event is basically the "anti-buff" kobold squad. 1d6 kobolds appear, each of which is equipped to deal with 1 common type of buff; haste, invis, ioun stones, and flying. They are placed somewhere around a player with that type of buff/item and attempt to neutralize it. The ioun stone hunters ignore dull grey stones and try to get as many stones as possible. The invis purge guy is pretty clueless as he can't see invisible, he just purges invisibility. The snail is too slow witted to think coherently.
You should also note that the invis purge/haste purge spells do not end when the kobolds die. It is also possible to talk/parley with the kobolds which may be more amusing to the gods than simply killing them.
Other acts of God include anti-psionic smackdowns, anti anti magic fields, artifacts being thrown into the Arena, and of course, the lions being released. These events are designed to test player adaptability and flexibility as well as throwing unpredictable events into the mix. Players can profit from these events if they are wise and the dice are with them.
As for Therron, since we are making this discussion public, I want to show my side of things. Reaper wanted me to allow a several things from OA even though the book is banned (and I am still allowing him several things from OA), and a combo using the spelldancer prestige class to cast a level 22 spell among other things (a 10x empowered level 2 spell). When I realized how unfair this is to the other players, I banned the spelldancer class. There were also several minor issues with Therron. However, I am allowing his revised character in without the spelldancer class. My goal is to ensure that each character is approximately CR 15-17 as CR is a better way to determine combat ability than anything else in 3E D&D IMHO. I don't have a personal grudge against Therron, but to be fair to him, I am a bit peeved at him for trying to bring the spelldancer class (which is as broken as the harm spell) in the game. And I personally think that using two shields to fight is stupid. But I won't kick anyone out of the game except under extreme circumstances. I want to have fun running this game. I am not here to punish, humiliate, or provide power trips/munchkin ego boosts to anyone.
Will my personal opinions affect how I run the game? I say it won't. You can believe that or not, I don't really care. All I really do is roll the dice and process everyone's actions. If you think about it, the players are really running this game. Do my personal biases affect the game? Probably a little, but I won't make anyone lose or win because of what I think of that person. I only know one of the players in real life and I am certainly not giving him any special favors. Therron's character was one of the only non grey ioun stone holders without an army of servants. Icitirk was the other. Could I have chosen someone other than Therron? Maybe. Maybe not. There is no way I can prove to anyone on here that one way or the ohter. And in the end, this is my game and I will run it as I see fit. I don' t like being second guessed.
I think that covers everyhting
Also, about unfairness/acts of god etc. I have a list of events that can happen (each event can only happen once) and I add more items to the list anytime I think of them. This event is basically the "anti-buff" kobold squad. 1d6 kobolds appear, each of which is equipped to deal with 1 common type of buff; haste, invis, ioun stones, and flying. They are placed somewhere around a player with that type of buff/item and attempt to neutralize it. The ioun stone hunters ignore dull grey stones and try to get as many stones as possible. The invis purge guy is pretty clueless as he can't see invisible, he just purges invisibility. The snail is too slow witted to think coherently.
You should also note that the invis purge/haste purge spells do not end when the kobolds die. It is also possible to talk/parley with the kobolds which may be more amusing to the gods than simply killing them.
Other acts of God include anti-psionic smackdowns, anti anti magic fields, artifacts being thrown into the Arena, and of course, the lions being released. These events are designed to test player adaptability and flexibility as well as throwing unpredictable events into the mix. Players can profit from these events if they are wise and the dice are with them.
As for Therron, since we are making this discussion public, I want to show my side of things. Reaper wanted me to allow a several things from OA even though the book is banned (and I am still allowing him several things from OA), and a combo using the spelldancer prestige class to cast a level 22 spell among other things (a 10x empowered level 2 spell). When I realized how unfair this is to the other players, I banned the spelldancer class. There were also several minor issues with Therron. However, I am allowing his revised character in without the spelldancer class. My goal is to ensure that each character is approximately CR 15-17 as CR is a better way to determine combat ability than anything else in 3E D&D IMHO. I don't have a personal grudge against Therron, but to be fair to him, I am a bit peeved at him for trying to bring the spelldancer class (which is as broken as the harm spell) in the game. And I personally think that using two shields to fight is stupid. But I won't kick anyone out of the game except under extreme circumstances. I want to have fun running this game. I am not here to punish, humiliate, or provide power trips/munchkin ego boosts to anyone.
Will my personal opinions affect how I run the game? I say it won't. You can believe that or not, I don't really care. All I really do is roll the dice and process everyone's actions. If you think about it, the players are really running this game. Do my personal biases affect the game? Probably a little, but I won't make anyone lose or win because of what I think of that person. I only know one of the players in real life and I am certainly not giving him any special favors. Therron's character was one of the only non grey ioun stone holders without an army of servants. Icitirk was the other. Could I have chosen someone other than Therron? Maybe. Maybe not. There is no way I can prove to anyone on here that one way or the ohter. And in the end, this is my game and I will run it as I see fit. I don' t like being second guessed.
I think that covers everyhting
reapersaurus
Explorer
*I knew someone would take my statement personally.Berk said:
I'm sorry - I was just paraphrasing clockwork's reasoning for denying all versions of Jade that included Spelldancer levels. He said it would dominate, not me. I was not intending an attack on your skill as a player, or down-playing any of your guys' entries in this contest.
On the contrary : I've been fairly terrified of your guys' characters and what they could do, which is why I tried to bring as powerful of offense to bear against them (and I wanted to start out the Game with a quick-strike, to enhance the excitement).
Please know I meant no disrespect to you personally by saying anything about our characters (they are just characters, right?)
*I agree that clockwork's feelings about me personally shouldn't impact my characters, however it has.
The ioun stone is the last in a long list of clockwork's actions.
I could list them, if asked, but clockwork- I've been fighting myself like hell to not list them (and I haven't aired almost anything publicly - that was in the post I scrapped.)
*If I listed all the (personally abusive) things he's said to me in emails, I think most people would agree it's become personal.
To not conclude the Gawd's actions as a personal attack on me would be unrealistic at best and ignorant at worst.
Out of the big list of what could have happened, see what was thrown in.
Victim - as clockwork revealed, Jade's ioun stones were decoys - dull grey ones. (included in character sheet for fun - ironically, I never even mentioned she would have them up.)
So Therron only had one real stone.
There are 6 characters with one or more stones on them (Saephiroth has SIX?!).
The chances of it being random are getting pretty extreme.
Clockwork - While the idea of having the Gawds interfere is cool, and I DID like the imaginative use of the Croc Hunter schtick, don't you admit your action would have been perceived as hostile to me?
(bunch of detail deleted)
So clockwork, I guess you could enter my last few posts into your file on our "thoughts and commentary on the game as it progresses". LOL
The reason I asked what the other players thought about it, is because I realized that IF anyone perceived the "Gawd's" actions as retributive, than an air of oppresiveness would have crept in, for me.
If you are open to discussing things about the Tournament you're hosting, I think that leads to getting more out of it for all concerned in the long run.
Your request for people's impressions seems to point out that you are...
P.S. Clockwork - what do you mean, Therron and Icitirk were the only non-grey iounstone holders without an army of servants?
I count Tobias with 2, Saeph with 6, and Ancryx with 1 (but he's got the army). Are the others all grey? I'm confused... (which, for me, is probably par for the course...)
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