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Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
Hopefully that's where they are going to put the updated Kobold race from Volo's (not the one from the UA). It would be nice to see it in print.
 


Hopefully that's where they are going to put the updated Kobold race from Volo's (not the one from the UA). It would be nice to see it in print.
The monster section of Volo's Guide had some great PC-power level Kobolds that I wish had inspired playable races. The incompetent gadgeteer would be fun to play.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Haven't seen this posted before, on the official site: Rules Expansion Gift Set | Dungeons & Dragons

Of note:


Seems to tie in with the idea that the new hobgoblin (and many more - perhaps less changed) are in this.
Yeah, people have done the math, and it appears this is likely going to be all or most of the Races from outside the PHB: basically, all the Monster and Race rules from Volos, Mordenkainen's, and other books without the fluff or Setting elements.
 

It might be:

Volo's Guide to Monsters
Aasimar
Firbolg
Goliath
Kenku
Lizardfolk
Tabaxi
Triton
Bugbear
Goblin
Hobgoblin
Kobold
Orc
Yuan-Ti Pureblood

Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes
Tieflings (expanded)
Eladrin (Elf)
Sea Elf
Shadar-Kai (also Elf)
Duergar (Dwarf)
Githyanki
Githzerai
Deep Gnome

Elemental Player's Guide
Aarakocra
Genasi

Eberron Rising From the Last War
Possible (not counting repeats from Volo's Guide):
Changelings
Shifters

Less likely because too setting specific:
Dragonmarked PHB races
Kalashtar
Warforged

Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica
Possible (not counting Volo's Guide repeats):
Centaur
Minotaur

Less likely because too setting specific:
Loxodon (though there's a similiar FR race called the Loxo)
Vedalken (do exist across many MtG settings though)
Simic Hybrid (could be made less setting specific by simply dropping the Simic part)

Mystic Odysseys of Theros
Possible (not counting repeats)
Satyr

Less likely because too setting specific:
Leonin (do exist across many MtG settings though)

I'd say Van Richten's Guide, Witchlight and Strixhaven won't have their races reprinted for this book.
 
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I worry that they will count the subraces as a full entry, going by how Fizbans was done.

In that case, what would the count be from MToF + SCAG + Volos?
Tiefling is example of how some races shouldn't have subraces to represent their varied abilities, with floating ability scores the only thing that differentiates the 8 new bloodlines is spell-like abilities. It should be like "here's some variant choices for Infernal Legacy"
 

Scribe

Hero
Tiefling is example of how some races shouldn't have subraces to represent their varied abilities, with floating ability scores the only thing that differentiates the 8 new bloodlines is spell-like abilities. It should be like "here's some variant choices for Infernal Legacy"
I agree, but have you seen Fizbans dragonborn?
 


I agree, but have you seen Fizbans dragonborn?
There's like 3 different tiers for Race/Subrace separation.
-Goblinoids and Gith are of the "Should be presented separate race entries"
-Elves and Dwarves are of the "Could be either way"
-Tieflings are of the "Just use a single race entry"
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I agree, but have you seen Fizbans dragonborn?

If that's anything to go by, Dragonborn are 3 races under the new rules. That won't make Tieflings into 8 or anything, but it could make them more than 1 or 2.

EDIT: I still think it could be 1. The variants are more similar to each of the DB breath weapon options than they are to the other differences between the 3 new DB-types. But who knows? Maybe they'll come up with more to differentiate them.
 

So how updated are we talking here? Like the new style shown off in the latest UA (ala Elves) or just like the usual suspects such as having the Wildemount/Eberron Orc and Kobold with the negative racial score removed?
 

So how updated are we talking here? Like the new style shown off in the latest UA (ala Elves) or just like the usual suspects such as having the Wildemount/Eberron Orc and Kobold with the negative racial score removed?
No idea from them yet, but going by latest UA, I could see "Powerful Build" getting an update.
 

Scribe

Hero
So how updated are we talking here? Like the new style shown off in the latest UA (ala Elves) or just like the usual suspects such as having the Wildemount/Eberron Orc and Kobold with the negative racial score removed?
Fizbans templating, I'm quite sure every 'elf' will have its own entry.
 

Tiefling is example of how some races shouldn't have subraces to represent their varied abilities, with floating ability scores the only thing that differentiates the 8 new bloodlines is spell-like abilities. It should be like "here's some variant choices for Infernal Legacy"

On a flavour level it was a missed opportunity, they have these cool Tiefling subraces, but then lack the lore to back them up. They relied too heavily on the Nine Hells own lore, not enough on how each of the Tiefling subraces fit into it and various settings.
 

Bolares

Hero
Fizbans templating, I'm quite sure every 'elf' will have its own entry.
I don't know if they're gonna reprint every elf... I was thinking about this earlier. A lot of the subraces were there just because there WERE subraces in the game and they wanted to use the design space, others were there only to give flexible ASIs, that are also gone. So possibly in this book, and in the 2024 core books there will be a lot less same race variations to choose from.
 



On a flavour level it was a missed opportunity, they have these cool Tiefling subraces, but then lack the lore to back them up. They relied too heavily on the Nine Hells own lore, not enough on how each of the Tiefling subraces fit into it and various settings.
I'm strongly of the idea Tieflings should be a Planetouched race of any Fiendish background (like they were before 4e) including Demons, Yugoloths, Hordelings, Night Hags, Demodands/Gehreleths, Rakshasa, etc or just a Lower Planar Radiation Mutation, so I feel they should either be one race with many "pick anyone of these options" or divided along Devil/Demon/Yugoloth/Etc lines.
 

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