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Even if subraces are done like individual races, I don't think they will each individually count as a race, because between the Genasi, Aasimar, and Gith's subraces alone, you would have nearly a third of the 30 race slots taken if they did (there are 9 subraces between those 3 races in 5e so far).
 

I'm strongly of the idea Tieflings should be a Planetouched race of any Fiendish background (like they were before 4e) including Demons, Yugoloths, Hordelings, Night Hags, Demodands/Gehreleths, Rakshasa, etc or just a Lower Planar Radiation Mutation, so I feel they should either be one race with many "pick anyone of these options" or divided along Devil/Demon/Yugoloth/Etc lines.

They kind of are both honestly, there is still the SCAG variant Tieflings. Still the way they have it now could confuse people, because you have the old school variants in the SCAG,the 4e style in the PHB, and the new Archdevil based Tieflings in MToFs.
 

I'd bet good money that there are at least two aasimar in this book.

Possibly, but that doesn't mean they will be counted separately. They could organize the book by race, but have structured multiple races in an individual race section. Given its coming in January I hope for more details in December.
 

Scribe

Hero
Even if subraces are done like individual races, I don't think they will each individually count as a race, because between the Genasi, Aasimar, and Gith's subraces alone, you would have nearly a third of the 30 race slots taken if they did (there are 9 subraces between those 3 races in 5e so far).
Well lets rip it out of the Poll. D&D 5E - What are your (up to 3) favorite character races? - Wizards Survey Duplication

Anything Volo or MToF, in my opinion will be in.
Aasimar
Bugbear
Firbolg
Gith
Goblin
Hobgoblin
Kenku
Kobold
Lizardfolk
Minotaur
Orc
Tabaxi
Tiefling
Triton
Yuan-Ti

SCAG or EEPC or One Off
Elf
Genasi
Gnome
Goliath
Dwarf
Half-Elf
Halfling
Tortle

New?
Astral Elf
Autognome
Giff
Hadozee
Plasmoid
Thri-Kreen

There's 29 right there and I probably missed some.

If we see any of those in the Fizban template, thats your list.
 


Well lets rip it out of the Poll. D&D 5E - What are your (up to 3) favorite character races? - Wizards Survey Duplication

Anything Volo or MToF, in my opinion will be in.
Aasimar
Bugbear
Firbolg
Gith
Goblin
Hobgoblin
Kenku
Kobold
Lizardfolk
Minotaur
Orc
Tabaxi
Tiefling
Triton
Yuan-Ti

SCAG or EEPC or One Off
Elf
Genasi
Gnome
Goliath
Dwarf
Half-Elf
Halfling
Tortle

New?
Astral Elf
Autognome
Giff
Hadozee
Plasmoid
Thri-Kreen

There's 29 right there and I probably missed some.

If we see any of those in the Fizban template, thats your list.

Stuff like Plasmiod is most certainly for a setting book AFTER MP: MotM is released, this is for races release BEFORE MP: MotM so it up to Strixhaven (Owlin).

And you forgot Grungs and Locaths.
 

Scribe

Hero
Stuff like Plasmiod is most certainly for a setting book AFTER MP: MotM is released, this is for races release BEFORE MP: MotM so it up to Strixhaven (Owlin).

Probably, in some combination yeah. Giff monster block is in MToF though, so...yeah whatever.

And you forgot Grungs and Locaths

The what? lol

Just looked, and yes these would be like Tortle, and probably should be in.
 


I feel that since a Shifter is sort of a Half-Lycanthrope and a Changeling is basically a Half-Doppelganger. They're generic enough to get in, as they are not be tied to anything really specific about Eberron.


Shifter at least is official in the Forgotten Realms and Nerath settings at least. T

And in 4e Doppelgangers and Changelings were treated as the same thing (functional Changelings replaced traditional Doppelgangers in 4e, including in FR), so they too have a presence in FR. FR even had a Changeling (half Doppelganger Template) in 3e/3.5e.
 

Sabathius42

Bree-Yark
I'm looking forward to paying a third (or wood it be 4th?) time to see a grunge write-up.

I am pretty confused by the goal of this project. I'm 100% behind a collection of things from setting and adventure books for general use, but I've always considered Volos and Mords to already be a general use source.
 

Scribe

Hero
I'm looking forward to paying a third (or wood it be 4th?) time to see a grunge write-up.

I am pretty confused by the goal of this project. I'm 100% behind a collection of things from setting and adventure books for general use, but I've always considered Volos and Mords to already be a general use source.
I believe, a major intent is to bring the monster blocks into the new standard, update the races to the current, and quietly forget some of the language in Volo's and the canon in MToF.
 

Haven't seen this posted before, on the official site: Rules Expansion Gift Set | Dungeons & Dragons

Of note:


Seems to tie in with the idea that the new hobgoblin (and many more - perhaps less changed) are in this.
Makes me wonder if they aren't going to make the Fizban's dragonborn options the "revised default" to effectively replace the old PHB one. Because...yeah, by comparison, the PHB dragonborn stinks on ice.
 



Parmandur

Book-Friend
I'm looking forward to paying a third (or wood it be 4th?) time to see a grunge write-up.

I am pretty confused by the goal of this project. I'm 100% behind a collection of things from setting and adventure books for general use, but I've always considered Volos and Mords to already be a general use source.
It's pretty straight forward: the target audience is people for whom the rules gift set would be a good gift, i.e., newer players. It's easier to make a new book that collates all of the Race & stat block rules from the various Monster & Setting books (as Xanathar's & Tasha's did with the Class and miscellaneous rules) rather than try to sell a four-book gift set and then tell new players that they need to buy about 4 or 5 other books to get all of the rules.

With this set, I can buy my nieces two boxed sets of three books each that would give them all (95%+ at least) of the rules in 5E, from 2014-2020.

We on this forum are not the target audience, except insofar as we buy gifts for family & friends, though the inclusion of newer art and minor rule adjustments might get a few nibbles from us enthusiasts.
 
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If this set becomes "second tier core", I hope adventures all be able to include monsters from MPMotM, like they do with those from the MM, without reprinting them in the back.
 



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