OneDnD New UA one D&D play test document Dec 1st.

[Burnside]

I like the dual-specialization trick they pulled here. It is like the Warlock.

You have your Subclass, and then another specialization.

This is another One D&D thing that reminds me of LevelUp A5E, where clerics have a similar deal (A5E's version is actually more interesting imo).

 

[Dausuul]

On the subject of the cleric:

• Channel Divinity is now prof times per long rest instead of once per short rest. If they're going to keep short rests at one hour (and maybe even if not), I approve of this change.
• I like the "Holy Order" mechanic--basically, the decision to be a "weapons cleric" or a "magic cleric" is no longer dependent on domains, it's a separate choice made at 2nd level. However, the scholar option feels incredibly underwhelming compared to the other two. Even allowing for the fact that it's much easier to get heavy armor training now, I can't imagine picking a few knowledge skill bonuses over a) heavy armor or b) rapid Channel Divinity recharge.
• As expected, domain is now chosen at 3rd level. This is a bit of a flavor/mechanic mismatch, but there's nothing stopping you from declaring yourself a cleric of Pelor (or whoever) at level 1, it just has no mechanical impact until 3rd.
• Smite Undead is a core feature. Dunno about that. There's no real justification for Turn Undead being a core cleric feature except D&D tradition, do we need to double down on it?
• The "weapons cleric" and "magic cleric" 8th-level domain features (bonus damage on weapon strikes or bonus damage on cantrips) have now been merged into a single ability at 7th level, which gives you both. Sensible and straightforward.
• The sample Life Domain looks pretty much the same as the one we already had: All healing, all the time. In fact, I think the features are literally the same, except for the "weapons cleric" benefits (heavy armor proficiency, bonus weapon damage) which have been moved to the core class. I do question whether they really need another healing option for Channel Divinity when the core class already gives you one. Granted, the Life Domain one is better, but surely they could come up with something a bit more interesting?

Overall, no dramatic changes but a lot of modest upgrades. I'm still not a fan of the Arcane/Divine/Primal spell lists, but at least the cleric doesn't make you check spell schools; you just get all divine spells, full stop.

 

[Nikosandros]

Of note: starting with One D&D, they are officially dropping the term "Race". This isn't something that's being tested; they're definitely moving on from that term.

The new term they are floating is "Species" which imo is a completely lateral move that offers exactly all of the exact same baggage that the term "Race" carries.

You can however give feedback on "Species". "Race" is definitely out, but "Species" isn't necessarily in.

I'm not sure what the best solution here is really. I do think that "race" is misused when it is applied to dividing humans into different groups. However, I actually do think elves and dwarves, etc., qualify as actual different races, so I have felt the term race is appropriate for them.

I understand that the term is just too fraught for some folks and maybe it's time to move on. I think "Species" solves exactly nothing in that respect. I guess "Heritage" or "Ancestry" might be a bit better.

I actually prefer species to both heritage and ancestry. Species has a biological meaning and, as far as I know, isn't a fraught term, unlike race. Heritage and ancestry make me think of culture and ethnicity respectively.

 

[Dausuul]

Other stuff:

• Wow, they really changed the Goliath. It's basically now the equivalent of the tiefling, but you're descended from giants instead of fiends. You get an ability themed to one of the giant types, and at 5th level you can grow to Large size for 10 minutes once a day. I expect fans of the old Goliath won't be pleased; personally, however, I had no interest in the old Goliath and love the new version. I might actually play one sometime.
• Banishment can no longer be used to send people home when traveling outside your own plane. Pity, I kind of liked that hidden feature. Also, you can perma-banish fiends and the like even if you are on their home plane. Again, not sure I like that.
• Resistance gets the guidance treatment, which it needed. I approve.
• Spiritual weapon now requires concentration. Which makes sense, it was kind of busted before, but cleric players will be sad.

 

[Minigiant]

The Smite Spells are still on the Divine List

 

[Delazar]

Divine Intervention still sucks. Nothing is worse than doing just nothing on your turn.

 

[Micah Sweet]

On the subject of the cleric:

• Channel Divinity is now prof times per long rest instead of once per short rest. If they're going to keep short rests at one hour (and maybe even if not), I approve of this change.
• I like the "Holy Order" mechanic--basically, the decision to be a "weapons cleric" or a "magic cleric" is no longer dependent on domains, it's a separate choice made at 2nd level. However, the scholar option feels incredibly underwhelming compared to the other two. Even allowing for the fact that it's much easier to get heavy armor training now, I can't imagine picking a few knowledge skill bonuses over a) heavy armor or b) rapid Channel Divinity recharge.
• As expected, domain is now chosen at 3rd level. This is a bit of a flavor/mechanic mismatch, but there's nothing stopping you from declaring yourself a cleric of Pelor (or whoever) at level 1, it just has no mechanical impact until 3rd.
• Smite Undead is a core feature. Dunno about that. There's no real justification for Turn Undead being a core cleric feature except D&D tradition, do we need to double down on it?
• The "weapons cleric" and "magic cleric" 8th-level domain features (bonus damage on weapon strikes or bonus damage on cantrips) have now been merged into a single ability at 7th level, which gives you both. Sensible and straightforward.
• The sample Life Domain looks pretty much the same as the one we already had: All healing, all the time. In fact, I think the features are literally the same, except for the "weapons cleric" benefits (heavy armor proficiency, bonus weapon damage) which have been moved to the core class. I do question whether they really need another healing option for Channel Divinity when the core class already gives you one. Granted, the Life Domain one is better, but surely they could come up with something a bit more interesting?

Overall, no dramatic changes but a lot of modest upgrades. I'm still not a fan of the Arcane/Divine/Primal spell lists, but at least the cleric doesn't make you check spell schools; you just get all divine spells, full stop.

I agree about Turn Undead. I'm largely a traditionalist, but even i don't think every cleric needs that power.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

• Smite Undead is a core feature. Dunno about that. There's no real justification for Turn Undead being a core cleric feature except D&D tradition, do we need to double down on it?

Yeah, that one's weird to me too.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Divine Intervention still sucks. Nothing is worse than doing just nothing on your turn.

It’s largely an out of combat feature.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

On the subject of the cleric:

• Channel Divinity is now prof times per long rest instead of once per short rest. If they're going to keep short rests at one hour (and maybe even if not), I approve of this change.
• I like the "Holy Order" mechanic--basically, the decision to be a "weapons cleric" or a "magic cleric" is no longer dependent on domains, it's a separate choice made at 2nd level. However, the scholar option feels incredibly underwhelming compared to the other two. Even allowing for the fact that it's much easier to get heavy armor training now, I can't imagine picking a few knowledge skill bonuses over a) heavy armor or b) rapid Channel Divinity recharge.

I can, for sure, given the less nebulous nature of using those skills with the new proposed Study Action.

• As expected, domain is now chosen at 3rd level. This is a bit of a flavor/mechanic mismatch, but there's nothing stopping you from declaring yourself a cleric of Pelor (or whoever) at level 1, it just has no mechanical impact until 3rd.

You generally should, in fact.

• Smite Undead is a core feature. Dunno about that. There's no real justification for Turn Undead being a core cleric feature except D&D tradition, do we need to double down on it?

Yeah it’s odd. Should work on fiends as well, at least.

• The "weapons cleric" and "magic cleric" 8th-level domain features (bonus damage on weapon strikes or bonus damage on cantrips) have now been merged into a single ability at 7th level, which gives you both. Sensible and straightforward.
• The sample Life Domain looks pretty much the same as the one we already had: All healing, all the time. In fact, I think the features are literally the same, except for the "weapons cleric" benefits (heavy armor proficiency, bonus weapon damage) which have been moved to the core class. I do question whether they really need another healing option for Channel Divinity when the core class already gives you one. Granted, the Life Domain one is better, but surely they could come up with something a bit more interesting?

Any feature they put there was always gonna be healing, to be fair. That’s the point of the domain.

Overall, no dramatic changes but a lot of modest upgrades. I'm still not a fan of the Arcane/Divine/Primal spell lists, but at least the cleric doesn't make you check spell schools; you just get all divine spells, full stop.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Overall, I kinda like this cleric. It can be a bit closer to feeling like a priest, now.

I really like the zap or heal channel divinity, holy orders, but smite undead… smite undead feels like a Paladin feature.

Also, if they want a van helsing class, make that. Don’t combine it with the priest concept.

 

[Blue]

I have always thought that the Cleric was the best-designed class in 5e, since there was such a diversity of builds available (STR, DEX, WIS, CHA can all be primary stats and the class remains viable), and each subclass really felt different to play.

Conversely, I felt that every cleric stuck by a couple of stand-out spells. I like the cleric differentiation, but I hope they give them mechanical reason to use different spells for different subclasses. And not just nerfing the best-in-class spells like they did with Spiritual Weapon, since that just leaves a new Best-in-Class.

 

[Burnside]

Conversely, I felt that every cleric stuck by a couple of stand-out spells. I like the cleric differentiation, but I hope they give them mechanical reason to use different spells for different subclasses. And not just nerfing the best-in-class spells like they did with Spiritual Weapon, since that just leaves a new Best-in-Class.

I agree. While there are a ton of subclasses, for most of them it is hard to mechanically justify not defaulting to the usual spiritual weapons/spirit guardians combo for most combats.

 

[Burnside]

For the cleric, number of spells they can prep also got a pretty dramatic nerf, which again is going to push players to only ever prep those best-in-class spells.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Overall, I kinda like this cleric. It can be a bit closer to feeling like a priest, now.

I really like the zap or heal channel divinity, holy orders, but smite undead… smite undead feels like a Paladin feature.

Also, if they want a van helsing class, make that. Don’t combine it with the priest concept.

Smite Undead is just the Upgrade to Turn Undead.

 

[Azzy]

Not sure if the 3 Holy Orders are balanced. And with you getting 2 of them by the end of T2, maybe we need more than 3.

I’m not really on board with clerics gaining two Holy Orders—especially when there are only three of them. A cleric should only ever have one (except in the case of a subclass that has a feature to give them a second).

 

[Neonchameleon]

Conversely, I felt that every cleric stuck by a couple of stand-out spells. I like the cleric differentiation, but I hope they give them mechanical reason to use different spells for different subclasses. And not just nerfing the best-in-class spells like they did with Spiritual Weapon, since that just leaves a new Best-in-Class.

That depends a lot on the gap between the best-in-class and the best of the rest. Spiritual weapon was well ahead of the curve thanks to not being concentration.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Smite Undead is just the Upgrade to Turn Undead.

I’m…aware?

 

[Pauln6]

On the subject of the cleric:

• Channel Divinity is now prof times per long rest instead of once per short rest. If they're going to keep short rests at one hour (and maybe even if not), I approve of this change.
• I like the "Holy Order" mechanic--basically, the decision to be a "weapons cleric" or a "magic cleric" is no longer dependent on domains, it's a separate choice made at 2nd level. However, the scholar option feels incredibly underwhelming compared to the other two. Even allowing for the fact that it's much easier to get heavy armor training now, I can't imagine picking a few knowledge skill bonuses over a) heavy armor or b) rapid Channel Divinity recharge.
• As expected, domain is now chosen at 3rd level. This is a bit of a flavor/mechanic mismatch, but there's nothing stopping you from declaring yourself a cleric of Pelor (or whoever) at level 1, it just has no mechanical impact until 3rd.
• Smite Undead is a core feature. Dunno about that. There's no real justification for Turn Undead being a core cleric feature except D&D tradition, do we need to double down on it?
• The "weapons cleric" and "magic cleric" 8th-level domain features (bonus damage on weapon strikes or bonus damage on cantrips) have now been merged into a single ability at 7th level, which gives you both. Sensible and straightforward.
• The sample Life Domain looks pretty much the same as the one we already had: All healing, all the time. In fact, I think the features are literally the same, except for the "weapons cleric" benefits (heavy armor proficiency, bonus weapon damage) which have been moved to the core class. I do question whether they really need another healing option for Channel Divinity when the core class already gives you one. Granted, the Life Domain one is better, but surely they could come up with something a bit more interesting?

Overall, no dramatic changes but a lot of modest upgrades. I'm still not a fan of the Arcane/Divine/Primal spell lists, but at least the cleric doesn't make you check spell schools; you just get all divine spells, full stop.

Scholars need a domain specific benefit that the other two don't get.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

-I wonder if we'll potentially see new Holy Orders for the Cleric, I wonder what some of those concepts might be.
-For the life cleric even though I know that Supreme Healing and Disciple of Life do stack, I feel they need to explicitly state that they do.
-I still don't like that all Clerics get Turn Undead, but I've been against that since 2e
-I like this version of the Ardling better now that it's more focused
-I feel the Climber Ardling might be really appealing to the Monk, but I feel the Monk is probably going to get their own in class method of adding Prof bonus to unarmed damage.
-They've fixed their breath weapon and made it a lot closer to Fizban's, that was the main thing I was opposed to about the previous version
-I've always felt that Dragonborn should get some method of flying, it's good they've added it to this "universal" one.
-So I notice Goliath's Powerful Build has advantage to ending grapples, I'm guessing the Orc's Powerful Build will match that.
-I like the different Giant ancestries for the Goliath, which makes me suspect that the Goliath is really there for that Giant-themed Book instead.
-Influence action is better and clearer now. I don't like character interaction to be too gamified, so at least it's smaller in scope so that it doesn't cover everything.
-I actually like this version of Guidance better than the previous one, only being able to be affected once per long rest made the previous one feel too weak.