Unearthed Arcana New Unearthed Arcana: Rune Knight, Swarmkeeper, The Revived

Another new Unearthed Arcana! "In today’s Unearthed Arcana, three classes each receive a playtest option. The fighter gets a Martial Archetype option: the Rune Knight. The ranger gains a Ranger Archetype option: the Swarmkeeper. And the rogue acquires a Roguish Archetype option: the Revived."

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vpuigdoller

Adventurer
28 new Subclasses, not including reprintings. All Subclasses went through SCAG or UA first, and they tested somewhere around 40 Subclasses, many of which did not make the cut.
Maybe we are still on the first round of subclasses to test and more are still coming. We will have to wait and see.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
It would be easy to swallow as a Runescarred Berserker

Putting aside the debate about whether concept overlap subclasses are good or bad, what about the concept of this subclass actual says “barbarian”, though?

The embiggen effect could come from a rune tattoo, for sure, but it still isn’t a rage.

Mechanically, I prefer it this way, as well, since it doesn’t have to worry about being too strong when combined with Rage, it can just stand on its own.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
After some time to ponder, I really like all of these.

I still think there are much more straightforward concepts that could come before weird stuff, but otoh the weird stuff has definite appeal.

The rogue needs a different thing than a death beam, or the death beam needs to at least happen when you make an attack rather than when you use Cunning Action, or something. The playstyle of the subclass seems very weird as a result of how that feature works.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
After some time to ponder, I really like all of these.

I still think there are much more straightforward concepts that could come before weird stuff, but otoh the weird stuff has definite appeal.

The rogue needs a different thing than a death beam, or the death beam needs to at least happen when you make an attack rather than when you use Cunning Action, or something. The playstyle of the subclass seems very weird as a result of how that feature works.

My takeaway from this set of tests is that they both wanted to try and push the envelope in a number of extreme ways to see what direction the wind is blowing, and that they had some very, very specific story goals to meet that were off the beaten path. The story goals are the real mystery, here, though it'll be interesting to see what they find from people's reactions.
 

The story goals are the real mystery, here,
Well, we have plenty of data to narrow it down now. All we need is a story that combines the Old Norse language with Thugee cultists, beekeepers, Irish druids, Greek heroes, true name magic, psychic powers and Buddhism.

The Real World (TM) Campaign Setting confirmed for November 2020. You heard it here first folks!
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Well, we have plenty of data to narrow it down now. All we need is a story that combines the Old Norse language with Thugee cultists, beekeepers, Irish druids, Greek heroes, true name magic, psychic powers and Buddhism.

Yes, if only there was some Magic-al setting with literally all of those eleme...

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gyor

Legend
For the Warlock, the Undying Nature feature reads as:

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Beginning at 10th level, you can hold your breath indefinitely, and you don't require food, water, or sleep, although you still require rest to reduce exhaustion and still benefit from finishing short and long rests."

"In addition, you age at a slower rate. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year, and you are immune to being magically aged."

Sure, not "undead" undead, but it has the same "u dead" features this Rogue does.

The Rogue feature feels more like reincarnation then undeath.
 


Remathilis

Legend
Magic The Gathering has been going long enough to cover every fantasy trope ever, and therefore proves nothing. You could come up with Magic cards for flying elephants vs flying saucers if you looked long enough.

That's the problem with using MtG; there are 24,000 unique named cards to pull from. You can find a card for nearly every fantasy trope under the sun. They have settings that range from classic fantasy to gothic to Egyptian to Greek to Fairie to Urban to Japanese, and so on. With enough time, I could find an MTG card for every subclass in Xanathar's Guide.

More importantly, the subclasses don't really represent key features of MtG. Sure, the heroic paladin kinda fits Theros, but it could easily fit any setting with a Greek myth feel.

Honestly, I've tried to link the common theme here and I think it might be MYTHIC. Not as in epic 21st level, but as in some sort of Larger-than-life heroism. I don't necessarily think its tied to a specific setting, but it could be WotC's attempt to emulate Paizo's Mythic Handbook; a book that tries to feel like mightier heroes with unique magical powers.

I might be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I think this isn't just a planar/MtG book. This has the hallmarks of something more Mythical or Epic...
 


Parmandur

Book-Friend
That's the problem with using MtG; there are 24,000 unique named cards to pull from. You can find a card for nearly every fantasy trope under the sun. They have settings that range from classic fantasy to gothic to Egyptian to Greek to Fairie to Urban to Japanese, and so on. With enough time, I could find an MTG card for every subclass in Xanathar's Guide.

More importantly, the subclasses don't really represent key features of MtG. Sure, the heroic paladin kinda fits Theros, but it could easily fit any setting with a Greek myth feel.

Honestly, I've tried to link the common theme here and I think it might be MYTHIC. Not as in epic 21st level, but as in some sort of Larger-than-life heroism. I don't necessarily think its tied to a specific setting, but it could be WotC's attempt to emulate Paizo's Mythic Handbook; a book that tries to feel like mightier heroes with unique magical powers.

I might be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I think this isn't just a planar/MtG book. This has the hallmarks of something more Mythical or Epic...

Could be. Time will tell. A Magic book focused on Planeswalkers, however, would be both concepts at once, as "Mythic" and "Epic" are the M:tH MO. Most character types in M:tG are covered by the PHB, frankly, but not all. These new options fit in with Magic very, very well, but not any older D&D setting.

I'll be very interested to see what they have cooking, and I have no strong feeling that this must be M:tG related: but it is an active possibility, and so far fits the facts better than a XGtE follow-up.
 

That's the problem with using MtG; there are 24,000 unique named cards to pull from. You can find a card for nearly every fantasy trope under the sun. They have settings that range from classic fantasy to gothic to Egyptian to Greek to Fairie to Urban to Japanese, and so on. With enough time, I could find an MTG card for every subclass in Xanathar's Guide.

More importantly, the subclasses don't really represent key features of MtG. Sure, the heroic paladin kinda fits Theros, but it could easily fit any setting with a Greek myth feel.

Honestly, I've tried to link the common theme here and I think it might be MYTHIC. Not as in epic 21st level, but as in some sort of Larger-than-life heroism. I don't necessarily think its tied to a specific setting, but it could be WotC's attempt to emulate Paizo's Mythic Handbook; a book that tries to feel like mightier heroes with unique magical powers.

I might be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I think this isn't just a planar/MtG book. This has the hallmarks of something more Mythical or Epic...
I don't think these have anything remotely to do with any setting book. A setting book may include a couple of subclasses, but it's not about subclasses. A setting book could perfectly well have zero subclasses. SCAG is very much an outlier here with 10 (including the easily identified as FR battlerager). I think there may well be a setting book released in late 2020, but these subclasses aren't for it, so to try to look for clues about it in them is pursuing red herrings and wild gease.

What they are for is entirely in the air, although it will probably be earlier than November 2020, which is the earliest another setting book could be expected. It could be something completely new. However, if we get another bunch of subclasses next month it would pretty much confirm a second Xanathar's book.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I don't think these have anything remotely to do with any setting book. A setting book may include a couple of subclasses, but it's not about subclasses. A setting book could perfectly well have zero subclasses. SCAG is very much an outlier here with 10 (including the easily identified as FR battlerager). I think there may well be a setting book released in late 2020, but these subclasses aren't for it, so to try to look for clues about it in them is pursuing red herrings and wild gease.

What they are for is entirely in the air, although it will probably be earlier than November 2020, which is the earliest another setting book could be expected. It could be something completely new. However, if we get another bunch of subclasses next month it would pretty much confirm a second Xanathar's book.

No particular reason to suspect these are for anything other than a Setting book, by the same token. And WotC mixes things up, so I wouldn't be confident on saying they can't release a Q2 Setting book, since they did in 2029 anyways (AI being a Setting within a Setting).
 


Remathilis

Legend
Could be. Time will tell. A Magic book focused on Planeswalkers, however, would be both concepts at once, as "Mythic" and "Epic" are the M:tH MO. Most character types in M:tG are covered by the PHB, frankly, but not all. These new options fit in with Magic very, very well, but not any older D&D setting.

I'll be very interested to see what they have cooking, and I have no strong feeling that this must be M:tG related: but it is an active possibility, and so far fits the facts better than a XGtE follow-up.

True, but its a different type of epic. I'm not completely ruling it out, but it just doesn't feel like its emulating a lot of known MtG tropes. MtG doesn't have a strong tradition of rune knights, swarmkeepers, or truenamers; not enough to warrant them over more obvious choices like Cathars, Dragon Shamans, or Pyromancers.

But each subclass does draw off a nontraditional power source. A monk drawing off the Astral rather than inner ki, a sorcerer drawing off aberrations rather than dragons, etc. I don't know if its one setting per se, but it feels like they want to stretch the definitions of what each class is about in some way.

I don't think these have anything remotely to do with any setting book. A setting book may include a couple of subclasses, but it's not about subclasses. A setting book could perfectly well have zero subclasses. SCAG is very much an outlier here with 10 (including the easily identified as FR battlerager). I think there may well be a setting book released in late 2020, but these subclasses aren't for it, so to try to look for clues about it in them is pursuing red herrings and wild gease.

What they are for is entirely in the air, although it will probably be earlier than November 2020, which is the earliest another setting book could be expected. It could be something completely new. However, if we get another bunch of subclasses next month it would pretty much confirm a second Xanathar's book.

I'm doubting its a real setting book. It doesn't fit any single MtG setting or D&D world, beyond nebulous "the planes" or "the multiverse." I also doubt they would want to release a whole new setting before getting around to updating classic D&D settings like Dark Sun. That leads me to believe this has to be a supplement rather than a setting, and I don't think the "Xanathar's 2" model (aka a collection of rules and crunch dropped willy-nilly without a grander context) but I could see something with some sort of theme loosely tying these all together.

It will be interesting to see what the group cooks up.
 


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