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New Video Card?

Ashrem Bayle

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Simply put, I don't know a whole lot about video cards. However, I'm in the process of upgrading and I'm wondering which card will better run some of the newer games coming out.

Here are the cards I've found that fit my budget:

Radeon 9200 256MB
Radeon 9600SE 128MB
Geforce FX 5600 128MB
Geforce 4 Ti4200 128MB

So which one should I get?

Thanks
 

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I found an extensive benchmark summary on Tom's Hardware that compares these and many other cards. Strangely, it seems that in most of their game benchmarks, the fastest of those cards is the oldest one: the GF4 Ti4200. I've got one, it's a great value, but I'm afraid that none of those cards will work well with the fanciest upcoming games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. If you can afford a Radeon 9600 Pro or XT or a GF FX 5700 you'll be better off with upcoming games.
 

Thats pretty much the same thing I encountered.

Regarding the Ti4200 and XT5600, it's true that the Ti outperforms the XT at low resolutions. However, from what I've found, at higher resolutions and when anti-aliasing is enabled, the XT5600 starts pulling pretty far ahead.

Since you'll want to run most games at a nice resolution and with AA enabled, I'm thinking this is the way to go.
 

The Radeon 9700 Pro is a very good card, a bit older than the 9800 series, but still kickass. Because it's been phased out you might want to consider picking one up 'cheap'. I heard on the NWN forums that it's available at around $200 (new), you might want to consider it.

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Just found out that the cards that you proposed are around $100, maybe you could look for a card on the secondary market?
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Ashrem Bayle said:
Thats pretty much the same thing I encountered.

Regarding the Ti4200 and XT5600, it's true that the Ti outperforms the XT at low resolutions. However, from what I've found, at higher resolutions and when anti-aliasing is enabled, the XT5600 starts pulling pretty far ahead.

Since you'll want to run most games at a nice resolution and with AA enabled, I'm thinking this is the way to go.
I was comparing the GF FX 5600, not the 5600 XT which I can't find any benchmarks for. (One thing these companies are really good at is confusing product names. Radeon 9600 SE in particular is seriously crippled compared to other models with the same number.)
 

Yea you need to make sure you get exactly what you are wanting when you get one (XT is from ATI Radeon cards, the Radeon XT cards are top of the line stuff, the 9800XT is the fatest video card out there right now). A card labled XT, Pro or Ultra is a much better card than one without and extra label. A lot of times you will find a good price on a card because it's the plain one not the Ultra or Pro one.

I wouldn't get a GeForce 4 card just due to the fact that it is 2 year old technology, why pay good money for something that is out of date already, it's a DirectX 8 card, the new ones are DirectX 9 cards (not to say it isn't a very good video card). Other than that go with the best you can afford 5600 or 9600, they are so close you would need to be a computer wiz to tell a performance difference. Another thing to keep in mind is that this spring should see the introduction of all new video cards from ATI and Nvidia, these cards are 4 or 5 months from being the old models (ie the price should drop).
 

jdavis said:
Yea you need to make sure you get exactly what you are wanting when you get one (XT is from ATI Radeon cards, the Radeon XT cards are top of the line stuff, the 9800XT is the fatest video card out there right now). A card labled XT, Pro or Ultra is a much better card than one without and extra label. A lot of times you will find a good price on a card because it's the plain one not the Ultra or Pro one.

Another thing to keep in mind is that this spring should see the introduction of all new video cards from ATI and Nvidia, these cards are 4 or 5 months from being the old models (ie the price should drop).

I just want to expand on what jdavis said above:

1) Don't bother buying an XT. Yes, they're the newest thing out there right now, but they're really just a halfway measure. They're primarily a marketing device, rather than a new technology. In terms of Dollars/frame rate, you pay a whole lot extra for the XT. Of course, if you're building a top of the line test bed, it may be worth the extra money . . . if not, don't worry about it.

2) Don't buy a card with 256 MB of RAM. You'll be paying an extra $100 for something you won't use. Believe it or not, right now GPU's are processor limited, not memory limited. Thus, you can get equal performance on a Radeon 9800 256 and a 128. There aren't any games that use large enough textures to tax your memory.

3) The next generation of video cards is coming soon. Expect prices to drop quickly once they arrive. In fact, prices are already dropping in anticipation. Vendors are moving their old stock. Check http://www.pricewatch.com for pricing.

4) Right now, you can get a Radeon 9600 Pro w/ 256 MB for $109. There's a catch, though. It's not made by ATI. Sapphire technologies is an ATI authorized manufacturer of their cards (in the same way that ASUS, ABit, Gainward, all make nVidia cards). Generally speaking, Sapphire cards are about $50 cheaper. But they perform every bit as well.

Good luck getting a new card. If you've got any questions, let me know. I've done mounds of research on this in the past 6 months, checking both Tom's Hardware and Anand Tech, and tracking prices.

--G
 

I just upgraded my video card to a Radeon 9600 Pro 256 Mb made by Sapphire that Goobermunch just mentioned. It is a very nice card and makes Halo and KotoR run very smoothly on my computer. I got it for about $120 with shipping and handling tacked on. It did pretty well on most of the benchmark tests posted on Toms Hardware. Call me one happy consumer.
 

Urbanmech said:
I just upgraded my video card to a Radeon 9600 Pro 256 Mb made by Sapphire that Goobermunch just mentioned. It is a very nice card and makes Halo and KotoR run very smoothly on my computer. I got it for about $120 with shipping and handling tacked on. It did pretty well on most of the benchmark tests posted on Toms Hardware. Call me one happy consumer.

The price I quoted includes S&H. Pricewatch is a great place to find new components cheap.

--G
 

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