NEWS; Gunning down the Snyderverse UPDATE Cavill gets the Kryptonite handshake!

[nevin]

I predict the Snyderverse will be replaced with the Wallerverse and the ends will justify everything

 

[trappedslider]

I'm more of a Marvel person in the comics and films, mostly because the characters are generally more grounded, and the movies aren't bleak dystopias where the super-"heroes" wouldn't know how to be a superhero if a kid in a towel-cape showed them. Here's to hoping Gunn's version of the DCU will be more four color and less murderers with powers.

you know it's funny in one of the many cross-ever events between the two (DC and Marvel) the Marvel heroes at first thought everyone was brainwashed for how heroes were treated in the DCverse compared to their own.

 

[overgeeked]

you know it's funny in one of the many cross-ever events between the two (DC and Marvel) the Marvel heroes at first thought everyone was brainwashed for how heroes were treated in the DCverse compared to their own.

The people probably knew that unless the "heroes" were treated like gods they'd be murdered en masse.

 

[Aeson]

The people probably knew that unless the "heroes" were treated like gods they'd be murdered en masse.

Um..what?

 

[GreyLord]

In the first big bold move by the new boses at DC, Patty Jenkins has been told that her treatment for Wonder Woman 3 does not fit the new vision for the DC Universe. While its not an outright cut after the poor performance of WW2 and ongoing problems and financial blow outs at WB its looking unlikely that Jenkins or Gal Gadot will be back.

Moreover James Gunn and Pete Sanfran have promised that there will be only One DC Universe and many are expecting that means they’ll be wanting to clear out all the lingering remants of the Snyderverse and the looming shadow of Dwayne Johnsons Black Adam too. Breakdowns in negotiations with Henry Cavill are likely symptoms of that since The Rock has his fingers all over that Super pie.

Gunn and Safran said in a joint statement that they wanted to create an integrated, multilayered universe that still allows for the individual expression of the artists involved. Our commitment to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Harley Quinn, and the rest of the DC stable of characters is only equalled by our commitment to the wonder of human possibility these characters represent.

Its rumoured that Gunn will be focussing on Amanda Waller as the lynchpin for the new DC Universe and that the One vision will go across all media including Animation.

so what do you’ll think? will Gunn be a new broom that renews and rebuilds the DC Cinematic presence or is it sign of ongoing doom…

The Suicide Squad bombed.

In my opinion it WAS NOT because it got streamed...but because it sucked. It's the WORST Superhero Movie I've seen in the past 20 years.

A few hardcore fans overlooked the travesty that it was and praise it to high heaven, while everyone else passed the word on that this movie was really THAT BAD. IT REALLY WAS bad.

Somebody doesn't realize this.

So, instead, they take the guy who had one of the worst bombs for a Superhero movie in the past 10 years and put him in charge?

This looks like it's going well already...

If they decide to boot Cavill...I think they will lose a LOT of us as viewers.

Gunn did well with GotG...but he sucks with DC thus far from what I've seen.

If they thought Snyder was bad news...everything I've seen from Gunn in the DC looks like it could be worse.

Luckily I have nothing invested in that company. It looks like they are making bad decisions and will continue to make bad decisions. I don't see this going well right now.

We'll see though.

PS: Just read an update. These guys are BAD PR right now. It's REALLY BAD from what I've heard.

One item that's kind of upset (light word) people, they cancelled the Michael Keaton movie. Not just said they were open to rewrites, flat out cancelled him. The movie...Batman Beyond.

This was a STUPID move to hire this guy from what I'm seeing right now. Gunn is going to KILL DC movies for a Decade.

If they don't do something quick the bad PR is going to BE REALLY bad I think. The lost Patty, They seem to be killing Cavill, and they killed Keaton...I haven't heard a SINGLE GOOD idea that they have yet.

 

[Vael]

I think the last DC movie I liked was Wonder Woman, but 84 was a mess. Mind you, I haven't bothered to watch the Snyder cut of JL, Birds of Prey or The Suicide Squad. Aquaman was dumb fun but that's about it. I haven't even seen The Batman.

I'm kinda only begrudgingly watching Marvel right now, DC hasn't got anything interesting me aside from the tranwreck of office politics as they try to recreate Marvel's success.

 

[billd91]

The Suicide Squad bombed.

In my opinion it WAS NOT because it got streamed...but because it sucked. It's the WORST Superhero Movie I've seen in the past 20 years.

A few hardcore fans overlooked the travesty that it was and praise it to high heaven, while everyone else passed the word on that this movie was really THAT BAD. IT REALLY WAS bad.

Somebody doesn't realize this.

Well, those somebodies apparently include 90% of critics and 82% of viewers on Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[GreyLord]

I think the last DC movie I liked was Wonder Woman, but 84 was a mess. Mind you, I haven't bothered to watch the Snyder cut of JL, Birds of Prey or The Suicide Squad. Aquaman was dumb fun but that's about it. I haven't even seen The Batman.

I'm kinda only begrudgingly watching Marvel right now, DC hasn't got anything interesting me aside from the tranwreck of office politics as they try to recreate Marvel's success.

Here's the crazy thing.

Many feel WW84 was trash. It was released in the first year of the pandemic before we had any real vaccines available for everyone. It was also released to streaming pretty darn quick.

The Suicide Squad was released AFTER the vaccines were out though we were still very concerned about the pandemic. It was also released to streaming pretty darn quick.

WW84 was released under worse conditions and worse timing than TSS.

TSS STILL did worse than WW84. If that says anything.

Yet, they decide to put Gunn in charge?

It doesn't really make any sense from that veiwpoint. They want to recreate a Marvel MCU, which is probably why the got Gunn. He's the only one willing to jump ship that has experience doing it...but he didn't do so well with TSS.

They ONLY hear those who praise TSS. They don't realize that one BIG reason it did so badly was there were a ton of us who saw it...and hated it...and spread it to our friends on how bad it was. They don't realize how badly it did from those of us who didn't like it...as they only seem to hear those who praise it.

But the money doesn't lie...and it did pretty darn badly.

 

[GreyLord]

Well, those somebodies apparently include 90% of critics and 82% of viewers on Rotten Tomatoes.

Read the above. critics are out of touch with viewers...and TSS bombed pretty darn badly.

IT wasn't a mistake that it bombed either. I was part of the wave that made it bomb. We know why it bombed, but no one really pays attention to the silent watchers...even if the money indicates that MAYBE something more is up.

IF Gunn makes more movies just like his TSS...I think DC will be in a LOT of trouble. If they thought the Snyderverse was bad in that department...well...Gunn could be about to say...here...hold this...

Gunn did well with GotG...at least two of the films. But other than that I don't think his filmography really justifies putting him in charge as they have. They are desperate for a Marvel and he's available is what it boils down to. His profits aren't really up there in regards to others that probably could do a better job.

BUT...we will see. He might have a plan, but from the rumors coming out right now...he has a seriously BAD PR problem. If they let it keep on getting worse and out of hand...he's going to kill his studio before it even has a chance to get off the ground.

 

[Ryujin]

The Suicide Squad bombed.

In my opinion it WAS NOT because it got streamed...but because it sucked. It's the WORST Superhero Movie I've seen in the past 20 years.

A few hardcore fans overlooked the travesty that it was and praise it to high heaven, while everyone else passed the word on that this movie was really THAT BAD. IT REALLY WAS bad.

Somebody doesn't realize this.

So, instead, they take the guy who had one of the worst bombs for a Superhero movie in the past 10 years and put him in charge?

This looks like it's going well already...

If they decide to boot Cavill...I think they will lose a LOT of us as viewers.

Gunn did well with GotG...but he sucks with DC thus far from what I've seen.

If they thought Snyder was bad news...everything I've seen from Gunn in the DC looks like it could be worse.

Luckily I have nothing invested in that company. It looks like they are making bad decisions and will continue to make bad decisions. I don't see this going well right now.

We'll see though.

PS: Just read an update. These guys are BAD PR right now. It's REALLY BAD from what I've heard.

One item that's kind of upset (light word) people, they cancelled the Michael Keaton movie. Not just said they were open to rewrites, flat out cancelled him. The movie...Batman Beyond.

This was a STUPID move to hire this guy from what I'm seeing right now. Gunn is going to KILL DC movies for a Decade.

If they don't do something quick the bad PR is going to BE REALLY bad I think. The lost Patty, They seem to be killing Cavill, and they killed Keaton...I haven't heard a SINGLE GOOD idea that they have yet.

Do you really mean "The Suicide Squad" or "Suicide Squad" because, rather unfortunately, those two very closely named movies are rather different.

 

[GreyLord]

Do you really mean "The Suicide Squad" or "Suicide Squad" because, rather unfortunately, those two very closely named movies are rather different.

The Suicide Squad.

It's the one made by Gunn. The one that only made 168.7 million against a budget of 185 million dollars. (WW84 made 169.6 M, just for comparison, but it DID have a 200M budget, though it was released at a worse time in the pandemic in worse situations. No movie made money then. When Gunn's TSS came out movies started to make money. shortly after TSS came out Shang Chi was killing it or at least making a LOT MORE than TSS did).

 

[Ryujin]

The Suicide Squad.

It's the one made by Gunn. The one that only made 168.7 million against a budget of 185 million dollars. (WW84 made 169.6 M, just for comparison, but it DID have a 200M budget, though it was released at a worse time in the pandemic in worse situations. No movie made money then. When Gunn's TSS came out movies started to make money. shortly after TSS came out Shang Chi was killing it or at least making a LOT MORE than TSS did).

Then I'm guessing folks like you don't vote at Rotten Tomatoes. As @billd91 pointed out both the critic and audience scores there are quite high. I also found it far better than "Suicide Squad", though my opinion on anything is likely worth less than the electrons used to post it. I would say that the box office is more about the lack of eyes on the product than it is about the product, itself, as a result.

 

[GreyLord]

Then I'm guessing folks like you don't vote at Rotten Tomatoes. As @billd91 pointed out both the critic and audience scores there are quite high. I also found it far better than "Suicide Squad", though my opinion on anything is likely worth less than the electrons used to post it. I would say that the box office is more about the lack of eyes on the product than it is about the product, itself, as a result.

No, I don't. Most viewers don't.

RT also has a terrible reputation at this point. First they were being landslided by one side, then another and then RT decided to discount votes because of that (and no one really knows HOW that works).

I normally rely more on Metacritic if I want something more reliable. TSS isn't terrible on the site with it's rating (72 from critics, 6.9 from audience).

(WW84 is rated a 3.7 on MC in case people think that it's going to do that movie any favors...it doesn't).

That said, I don't rate films there either (and once again, most people don't).

 

[Ryujin]

No, I don't. Most viewers don't.

RT also has a terrible reputation at this point. First they were being landslided by one side, then another and then RT decided to discount votes because of that (and no one really knows HOW that works).

I normally rely more on Metacritic if I want something more reliable. TSS isn't terrible on the site with it's rating (72 from critics, 6.9 from audience).

(WW84 is rated a 3.7 on MC in case people think that it's going to do that movie any favors...it doesn't).

That said, I don't rate films there either (and once again, most people don't).

Well I'm afraid that "most people don't" is how a representative sample works.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

One item that's kind of upset (light word) people, they cancelled the Michael Keaton movie. Not just said they were open to rewrites, flat out cancelled him. The movie...Batman Beyond.

So one of the things that is important is to understand how things work, and why different sources of information might be different.

I'll start this by saying that (a) I am a massive Michael Keaton fan (as an actor, a person, and as Batman) and (b) I am a massive Batman Beyond fan, and wish nothing more that a live-action movie of it --- and cannot believe it hasn't been done. That said ... let's unpack this, shall we?

First, the studio ("WB") has previously had a Beyond movie in development- multiple times. Since 2001. The movie has had scripts and directors (I remember when Aronofsky was attached for a hot second), so saying that Batman Beyond is "in development" at WB is akin to saying that "water is wet."

Second, what exactly is the rumor? Well, it's that they are not moving forward on a script by Christina Hodson (who wrote the Flash, kinda). Was this movie official? No. Was there a director? No. Was the main role (you know. Terry McGinnis?) cast? No.

Was Michael Keaton even signed for this movie? No. Not as far as anyone knows!

So what is this breaking news???? That a script treatment for a movie that didn't have a director, or cast, wasn't going forward. This is not a shock- this is part and parcel of what happens every day in Hollywood.

Which leads to the next question.... why did the usual places pick up this non-news.* Well ... whenever there is a changing of the guard at some place, there are winners, and there are losers. And the losers like to get the knives out for the winners. These are the knives. Given the history of toxicity in the WB fandom, it's hardly surprising.

I have to say, I hope that they are paying Gunn and Safran all the money to wade into this atmosphere. Heading up DC seems like it is a poisoned chalice. People are genuinely complaining about projects that don't even exist.



*It's really non-news, other than maybe finding out that WB was trying, again, to have a live-action Batman Beyond as part of their continuing two decade quest to anger my blood.

 

[Cadence]

Um..what?

I'm guessing a joke splicing what the Avengers at one point in the JLA/Avengers comic* thought about the JLA (fascists enforcing peace on earth) with the body counts in the DCEU movies. (On the other side, the JLA thought the Avengers were pathetic for how messed up the 616 earth was. Both thoughts were seemingly induced in part by the stress of being in the different universes, especially in the cases of Cap and Supes).

*As an Avengers fan since 1981 who has read a ton of them, I think it's one of the greatest Avengers stories ever, with Busiek and Perez at their finest. I think it's shameful that it is not in regular TPB reprint.

 

[Stalker0]

At the end of the day its pretty crazy to get upset about things you didn't have being taken away. They are doing a shakeup, decided to rebuild the DC property (because lets be honest, compared to marvel, DC has not been doing great in the movie department), and yeah that's going to be messy....such things always are. But people get way too excited over this stuff, the time to bring out the hate is when we actually see the new movies and the new trailers, when we have an actual honest to god project to look at. THEN we can say this new direction was awesome or terrible, etc.

That said, I do think the biggest mountain DC may face, is all of this may simply be too late. With Marvel's Phase 4 wanning with some audiences, the specter of "superhero fatigue" is out there. Its INEVITABLE, all genres in movies had their time in the sun, and then waned. At some point, audiences will get tired of superhero movies, and they will want something else. Its not an IF, its a WHEN. DC is investing a lot of money and effort in this change over, and the sad part may be, even if they do a fantastic job with it, knock it out of the park....audiences may have moved on by then. That iron is getting struck, but its looking a bit cold now.

 

[S'mon]

Its rumoured that Gunn will be focussing on Amanda Waller as the lynchpin for the new DC Universe and that the One vision will go across all media including Animation.

so what do you’ll think? will Gunn be a new broom that renews and rebuilds the DC Cinematic presence or is it sign of ongoing doom…

Well I like Gunn's stuff a lot more than anything else I've seen from the "DC Universe", so it fits my own preferences. I like his dark twisted humourous take on things. OTOH that seems a lot more obviously well suited to Harley Quinn than to Superman, say. But I liked his MCU Guardians of the Galaxy films a lot, and plan to see the third one. His stuff always seems a lot smarter and funnier than a fellow 'comedy' director like Taika Watiti. That doesn't mean he is definitely the best man to be in charge of more serious/po-faced super heroes like Superman & Wonder Woman, so I'm suspending judgement there.

 

[S'mon]

The Suicide Squad bombed.

I hadn't realised that - it did well here in the UK AFAICT. I certainly liked it a lot, AIR it was the first thing I saw after the terrible Black Widow film. For me TSS and Spiderman: No Way Home were the only decent superhero films of 2021 (& I don't think there have been any since).

 

[Mirtek]

The Flash (originally set to be released March 23, 2018, and now set for June 16, 2023) is an "unlocked picture" and that there are still internal debates about cutting and editing out parts of it.

So they're still trying to figure how to cut out the entirety of Ezra Miller while still keeping it a Flash movie?

As @billd91 pointed out both the critic and audience scores there are quite high.

That does them no good if all those praising voters do not actually go and watch the movies they are praising.

Either they're not doing that or they are indeed a tiny minority who actually bothers to sign up on some website to rate films. The box office and streaming and home video sales are what matters at the end of the day.

Well I'm afraid that "most people don't" is how a representative sample works.

But if it was representative, why didn't those scores translate into money being made?