D&D (2024) No Dwarf, Halfling, and Orc suborgins, lineages, and legacies

5e currently has over 46 races. So we would be looking at over 46+ racial splatbooks or one very large tome. 😋 The Complete Tome of Races. I could see WoTC creating the latter, if they were inclined to do so. I don't see them creating the individual splatbooks again.
That is absurd number of species. Some combination and streamlining is needed. But indeed a big book with rules and lore for several species seems like a good idea.
 

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It doesn't need to. But "elf" is just a word. Certainly it must actually mean something, in context of D&D? Otherwise, "pretending to be an elf" is a meaningless sentence.
It means something in the context of fantasy gaming, and fantasy literature in general. There's dozens of examples of D&D derived elves that already exist in the fantasy space. D&D can leverage that concept without having to explicitly define it mechanically, and only present the distinctions from the assumed norm.
 

It means something in the context of fantasy gaming, and fantasy literature in general. There's dozens of examples of D&D derived elves that already exist in the fantasy space. D&D can leverage that concept without having to explicitly define it mechanically, and only present the distinctions from the assumed norm.
So again, that is an argument for getting rid of the rules for species altogether. And as same logic definitely applies to the classes, why not get rid of them as well?

I think we are in the weird situation where we do have rules for species, but we are not quite sure why. It just seems aimless.
 

So again, that is an argument for getting rid of the rules for species altogether. And as same logic definitely applies to the classes, why not get rid of them as well?

I think we are in the weird situation where we do have rules for species, but we are not quite sure why. It just seems aimless.
What do you think D&D would look like if it didn't have any rules regarding class or race?
 

So again, that is an argument for getting rid of the rules for species altogether. And as same logic definitely applies to the classes, why not get rid of them as well?

I think we are in the weird situation where we do have rules for species, but we are not quite sure why. It just seems aimless.
I don't think it means the rules need to be tossed. It think it means accepting that the rules are ambivalent about how much setting specificity can be extracted from them.

D&D is always going to be stuck in a weird liminal space between facilitating tons of various ideas of what a D&D setting looks like, but still having to present a bunch of ideas that are coherently D&D. That means the rules are always going to have be somewhere between "describing the narrative" and "allowing all concepts to be used". It can't be locked down to one setting, like an old White Wolf game, but it can't be totally freeform like a GURPS either.
 


What do you think D&D would look like if it didn't have any rules regarding class or race?
More like GURPS. We could of course keep the basic D20 mechanics, etc. even levels. But instead of choosing these splats that are packages of features, you would just choose from a pool of traits and features and then would get to choose some more once you level. I think it would be doable, but also pretty unrecognisable as D&D, so it is never gonna happen in the main game. I guess some third party might try it and quite possibly already has.
 

More like GURPS. We could of course keep the basic D20 mechanics, etc. even levels. But instead of choosing these splats that are packages of features, you would just choose from a pool of traits and features and then would get to choose some more once you level. I think it would be doable, but also pretty unrecognisable as D&D, so it is never gonna happen in the main game. I guess some third party might try it and quite possibly already has.
Does GURPS have a D&D-like setting?
 

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okay we we know roughly what the disagreement sides seem to be so we can all more effectively figure out what we each want as I get the feeling we talk past each other?
 


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