No Prebuff - Round 1 - Damage Rankings

[FrogReaver]

No you're right about that. It works fine with action surge, so at level 2 you're fine. You just can't use extra attack with it, so by level 5 you'd want to switch to a longbow.

So weird I always read that wrong. I guess this is about the only situation it would matter

 

[Esker]

So weird I always read that wrong. I guess this is about the only situation it would matter

You could also use Haste to attack twice with it. But if you're a fighter you have extra attack by then. If you were a rogue with a fighter dip, it might be relevant, I guess.

 

[FrogReaver]

You can't fire heavy crossbow twice on your turn without crossbow expertise. So it would be 17.5*(.55+.1-.25)2 + 4.5.05*2

= 17.5*0.4*2 + 4.5*0.05*2
=14.45

Corrected


= 18.5*0.4*2 + 5.5*0.05*2
=15.4

 

[FrogReaver]

So Martial Adept with trip and precision may be very promising for round 1 damage. Working on calculating it for a level 2 fighter. I think it will do more damage than magic initiate hex on the first round.

 

[FrogReaver]

So I think I have the correct calculation for a level 2 fighter with martial adept. I assumed using precision when you missed by 4 or less. This could be adjusted but it should be pretty close.

Variant Human Martial Adept + GWF + Action Surge + Trip + Precision

=18.7

1. 14.83*0.55 + 11.83*.05
2. 11.33*0.55*0.55*.1625 + 8.33*0.0975*0.55*0.55
3. 0.55*0.45*0.55*11.33 + 0.55*0.45*0.05*8.33
4. .1625*11.33
5. 0.2*0.55*11.33 + 0.2*0.05*8.33
6. 0.25*0.55*14.83 + 0.25*0.05*11.83

=sum(1 to 6)

@Esker will you validate this calculation?

 

[FrogReaver]

An easier Martial Adept PC

Variant Human (Martial Adept) Paladin 2 + GWF + Divine Smite + Thundering Smite + Trip + Precision

=24.5

30.83*.55 + 27.33*.225 + 27.83*05

 

[Esker]

So 1. is if you hit and use trip attack on the first attack, but then after that I'm not quite sure how you're breaking it down. Where does the 0.1625 come from, and why is there no 0.7975 anywhere for the to-hit chance when they're prone?

 

[Esker]

1. Hit+trip attempt on 1st: 0.55*14.83 + 0.05*11.83
2. Hit w/ precision on 1st: 0.15*11.33
3. Hit on 2nd (prone):
0.55*0.55*0.7975*11.33 + 0.55*0.55*0.0975*8.33
4. Hit on 2nd (failed trip): 0.55*0.45*0.55*11.33+0.55*0.45*0.05*8.33
5. Hit on 2nd (used precision):
0.15*0.55*11.33+0.15*0.05*8.33
6. Hit on 2nd (missed 1st by > 4):
0.25*0.55*14.83 + 0.25*0.05*11.83
7. Hit on 2nd using precision:
0.25*0.15*11.33

 

[FrogReaver]

So 1. is if you hit and use trip attack on the first attack, but then after that I'm not quite sure how you're breaking it down. Where does the 0.1625 come from, and why is there no 0.7975 anywhere for the to-hit chance when they're prone?

I used .7975 in calcs though apparently not copied over correctly
.1625 is the chance the attack you use precision on is a hit

You are getting a slightly higher estimate than I am. I'll have to look into it

 

[Esker]

I get 0.15 for the precision chance to hit using a d6. 0.1625 with a d8