D&D General Nolzur creates inclusive miniatures, people can't handle it.

[dave2008]

We don’t see it now of course. Honesty, I don’t think we’ll see another decade like the 80s

But you do see it now. There is about every genre possible out there using 5e rules in some 3PP product.

 

[Sacrosanct]

But you do see it now. There is about every genre possible out there using 5e rules in some 3PP product.

I meant pop culture in general, where anything goes, even crazy mashups.

 

[Lanefan]

That's fair. But giants don't generally break the sense of immersion; they feel like they belong in a typical fantasy setting. I have no problem with wheel chairs in a fantasy setting, or even magical ones; but I do have a problem with mundane ones functioning in ways they just can't. A wheel chair easily climbing stairs? Or navigating terrain that is seriously uneven and broken? That does break my sense of immersion.

There is room for wheel chair bound adventurers. But just as someone bound to a wheel chair the the real world must sometimes acknowledge that not all locations and activities are suited to them, so must a wheel chair bound adventurer. If the first part of an adventure is climbing down a mile-high shaft into the Underdark, I have a hard time seeing how a wheel chair isn't a serious impediment. And hand waving it just isn't satisfying to me.

Perhaps, but there are options available to mitigate these issues; options that already exist within the typical D&D game:

--- fly spells, or flight devices, on the wheelchair user
--- enchantments on the wheelchair itself to make it fly, or otherwise able to handle difficult terrain (a "water walking" wheelchair would kinda rock, now I think about it)
--- enchantments on the wheelchair to make it shrink to a very small size when not in use, for ease of carriage (cf Ebony Fly, Onyx dog, etc., or even ye olde Shrink spell)
--- alternate means of transport for situations when-where the wheelchair doesn't work e.g. in GoT Bran spends a lot of time being pulled around on a sled; he also has a bespoke saddle allowing him to ride a horse, and so on.

 

[Kurotowa]

Really? I think 5e is maybe the best edition for playing low magic D&D. We have been playing it that way from the beginning. I've been saying that for a long time and I don't recall people telling me to play a different system. Of course I'm good at not letting comments like that bother me. So it could just be me?!

I think it depends on several things, the most central of which is "What is low magic?" To some people, it means the general prevalence of magic items and casters in the setting is low, but the PCs are the exceptional exceptions in both regards. To other people, they want to hack it down to really low magic. I had not one but two DMs attempt a campaign where all caster PC classes were banned at the start. (Neither went well.)

With no clear shared definition, a lot of time people are talking past each other when the topic comes up.

 

[Clint_L]

Kudos to Wizkids for making these - I have students with various challenges, and one of them asked if their character could be in a wheelchair. I was delighted to be able to fulfill that request. For those who don't think it is realistic enough (whatever that even means in a fantasy RPG): you're missing the point. People sometimes like to see themselves reflected in the games they play, especially an RPG.

I painted them up and my student's face absolutely lit up the first time I brought out "her" miniature (the female cleric):

 

[Warpiglet-7]

Kudos to Wizkids for making these - I have students with various challenges, and one of them asked if their character could be in a wheelchair. I was delighted to be able to fulfill that request. For those who don't think it is realistic enough (whatever that even means in a fantasy RPG): you're missing the point. People sometimes like to see themselves reflected in the games they play, especially an RPG.

I painted them up and my student's face absolutely lit up the first time I brought out "her" miniature (the female cleric):

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Oh you mean I don’t have to a hapless family guy and can pretend to be like a Viking beserker?!

Good cause I don’t want my paper Pushin’ dorito Eatin’ limitations!

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Seriously, I can't count how many "How do I fight with a shield like Captain America?" questions I've seen online.

That goes back to the earliest days of D&D.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mod Note:

Everyone, please calm down & take a deep breath. Let’s not continue imagining what a poster’s unstated opinions about this are when we can ask. Let’s not impugn others personal character. Let’s not advocate doxxing.

 

[dave2008]

I think it depends on several things, the most central of which is "What is low magic?" To some people, it means the general prevalence of magic items and casters in the setting is low, but the PCs are the exceptional exceptions in both regards. To other people, they want to hack it down to really low magic. I had not one but two DMs attempt a campaign where all caster PC classes were banned at the start. (Neither went well.)

With no clear shared definition, a lot of time people are talking past each other when the topic comes up.

Sure, but I think 5e can handle either approach well. At least from my experience it can

 

[Clint_L]

Let's just live and let live. It hurts no one for these miniatures to be in the world, and since it makes some folks happy - one girl very happy - it is a good thing. We don't need to overthink it or make it about anything else. And if you don't want them, then just don't buy them. Everyone wins.

I will say that as a rabid miniatures collector, I am delighted when someone puts out miniatures with different body shapes and appearances. Trust me, when you've been collecting for awhile you have no shortage of miniatures that look like the classic fantasy archetypes. If you need a miniature that looks like Conan or Aragorn or Legolas, you are well covered. These miniatures just open up a few new possibilities.