OD&D Immortals...D&Dg or ELH?

[Geron Raveneye]

I don´t know who of those who do remember the OD&D Immortals also own the D&Dg or ELH..or both...but if some do, could you give me an impression here?

I´m still hosting games on Mystara, and one of the groups has characters in the upper double digits, and I´m wondering what I´d better use to simulate the ascension into immortality? The Epic Level Handbook, or the Deities & Demigods approach? As far as I gathered, the D&Dg contains rules for making gods out of PCs...

Any suggestions?

 

[Geron Raveneye]

Wow

42 viewings, and no ideas?

Anybody...please? I´d really like an opinion by someone who already owns the book(s) and knows what I´m talking about

 

[Dahak]

I've been contemplating introducing the concept into my occasional (currently rare...) Mystara game. Currently my thought is to have each of the Paths result in granting the PC Quasi-Deity status (Divine Rank 0), and introduce a series of five (or ten) level prestige classes that cover the different Immortal Ranks (Temporal, Celestial, etc). Initiate would have a Prestige requirement of DR 0. The character's DR increases at certain levels along the way with a fifth (or tenth) level Heirarch having a DR of 20.

 

[MythandLore]

I don´t know who of those who do remember the OD&D Immortals also own the D&Dg or ELH..or both...but if some do, could you give me an impression here?

I´m still hosting games on Mystara, and one of the groups has characters in the upper double digits, and I´m wondering what I´d better use to simulate the ascension into immortality? The Epic Level Handbook, or the Deities & Demigods approach? As far as I gathered, the D&Dg contains rules for making gods out of PCs...

Any suggestions?

I think the New Deities & Demigods book is closer to the old 'Immortal' rules gold box set.
I think the ELH is more along the lines of the Master level black box set (the to 30th level one).
So, if your trying to "simulate the ascension into immortality" go with Deities & Demigods.
I think the ELH is more about really strong mortals.
But you could always use both at the same time.

 

[Selganor]

I don't own D&Dg or ELH but I got the "Wrath of the Immortals" box once it got out (to fit right next to my Rules Cyclopaedia, so I didn't have to dig through 5 boxed rulebooks to get info) and I can't see what would be the problem with the "original" approach.

 

[Geron Raveneye]

I don't own D&Dg or ELH but I got the "Wrath of the Immortals" box once it got out (to fit right next to my Rules Cyclopaedia, so I didn't have to dig through 5 boxed rulebooks to get info) and I can't see what would be the problem with the "original" approach.

Easily answered...
I don´t have Wrath of the Immortals (sadly), it´s not available anymore in Germany, and the old Immortal Set from OD&D is a bit far off the current D&D mechanisms for my time to convert it

Thanks all...keep the comments coming

 

[Lichtenhart]

Try this site Vault of Pandius

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there!

I don´t know who of those who do remember the OD&D Immortals also own the D&Dg or ELH..or both...but if some do, could you give me an impression here?

An impossible task given that the ELH is not yet finished and D&Dg is only officially released today.

I´m still hosting games on Mystara, and one of the groups has characters in the upper double digits, and I´m wondering what I´d better use to simulate the ascension into immortality? The Epic Level Handbook, or the Deities & Demigods approach? As far as I gathered, the D&Dg contains rules for making gods out of PCs...

Any suggestions?

Technically neither book outlines (mechanically) Divine Ascension.

My own suggestion would be that, of the two, the Epic Level Rulebook would be better for you - the Immortal class in OD&D seem to suit Epic progression; even though the examples in Wrath of the Immortals were all 'deities', their power was not derived from worship.

Hi Dahak!

I've been contemplating introducing the concept into my occasional (currently rare...) Mystara game. Currently my thought is to have each of the Paths result in granting the PC Quasi-Deity status (Divine Rank 0), and introduce a series of five (or ten) level prestige classes that cover the different Immortal Ranks (Temporal, Celestial, etc). Initiate would have a Prestige requirement of DR 0. The character's DR increases at certain levels along the way with a fifth (or tenth) level Heirarch having a DR of 20.

I think you could create a comparative much more easily.

eg.
Initiate = 'Chosen of'
Temporal = Divine Rank 0 (Hero/Quasi-deity)
Celestial = DR 1-5 (Demigod)
Empyreal = DR 6-10 (Lesser God)
Eternal = DR 11-15 (Intermediate God)
Hierarch = DR 16-20* (Greater God)

*36th-level Immortal = Divine Rank 19 (see Odin in D&Dg)

However, this only shows the 'what' - not the 'how'.

The trick is coming up with a believable mechanic for progression which (as some of you may or may not know) I already have!

 

[Geron Raveneye]

Well...

...having no reason to disbelieve you...where can I lay my hands on it?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Re: Well...

Hi Geron!

...having no reason to disbelieve you...where can I lay my hands on it?

Its not yet available - you may want to look here though:

http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4850