OFFICAL ERRATA: Hit points *DO NOT* change in polymorph

[Hypersmurf]

I've always found that funny ... elves are the sickliest creature in the game.

Actually, to be fair, the default 3.5 MM Elf and the default 3.5 MM Kobold are both Warriors with a Con of 10 (12 - 2).

It was in 3E that Elves were the only creatures in the MM with a default Con of less than 10.

-Hyp.

 

[Kershek]

By low, I mean 10 But you do have a good point about how often con damage comes up. Hopefully, it will never come up with the druid I'm about to play.

 

[rangerjohn]

And what point would this be exactly? Since the Ranger doesn't have polymorph on his spell list any more?

Now I know why I have not and never will play a 3.5 ranger. They have taken everything away from what I see as a ranger. They are a modified rouge. Thier spell casting is worthless, Polymorph was the only decent spell for the level they got it, that they had. This along with the loss of hps is not worth it. I guess if I want a wilderness character now it will have to be the barbarian. Or I have seen the fighter/rouge work for this. This is sad, for as you can see by my screen name it was once my favorite class.

 

[jgsugden]

Now I know why I have not and never will play a 3.5 ranger. They have taken everything away from what I see as a ranger. They are a modified rouge. Thier spell casting is worthless, Polymorph was the only decent spell for the level they got it, that they had. This along with the loss of hps is not worth it. I guess if I want a wilderness character now it will have to be the barbarian. Or I have seen the fighter/rouge work for this. This is sad, for as you can see by my screen name it was once my favorite class.

I'm playing a 3.5 ranger right now. IMHO it is far more fun than a 3.0 ranger. If you have not even given it a try yet, I don't think you're doing yourself a favor by pronouncing it unplayable. It is far better than the 3.0 version.

 

[Will]

If you want a rogue with polymorph, spring for something like an elixir of morphing (polymorph) for, oh, 1,400 gp each.

If your GM is a hardass, a ring of spell storing for 50k and a cooperative wizard can do much the same. 50k gp up front, which is hefty, but over the long run... shouldn't be so hard by about level 13-14, which seems reasonable to me. Assuming polymorph used to be a 4th level ranger spell (which I imagine is the case), a ranger couldn't cast one until 14th level, anyway.

 

[Kershek]

I got a response from custserv on the polymorph errata. I started a new thread here so that it wouldn't get lost in this long thread: http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1426150

 

[Plane Sailing]

I'm playing a 3.5 ranger right now. IMHO it is far more fun than a 3.0 ranger. If you have not even given it a try yet, I don't think you're doing yourself a favor by pronouncing it unplayable. It is far better than the 3.0 version.

Ditto. I played a 3.0 ranger, I'm playing a 3.5 ranger and I have to tell you that the 3.5 ranger is far, far better (i.e. more enjoyable and with a clear party role. A better fighter too!) The 3.5 ranger is really the premier scout class - far better than the rogue for that role in any outdoors situation, and that is completely fair (the rogue still has plenty of other roles to dominate in, after all).

The loss of Polymorph reduces the high level twink factor that rangers could enjoy by suddenly polymorphing into giants for a massive boost to Str and size. I agree that they don't have any excellent 4th level spells now (apart from Freedom of Movement, which is a life saver if facing any grapplers). They are less well provided for than Paladins who at least have dispel evil and holy sword available to them as 4th level spells.

Cheers

 

[James McMurray]

If you want a rogue with polymorph, spring for something like an elixir of morphing (polymorph) for, oh, 1,400 gp each.

If your GM is a hardass, a ring of spell storing for 50k and a cooperative wizard can do much the same. 50k gp up front, which is hefty, but over the long run... shouldn't be so hard by about level 13-14, which seems reasonable to me. Assuming polymorph used to be a 4th level ranger spell (which I imagine is the case), a ranger couldn't cast one until 14th level, anyway.

Why not just get the party wizard to cat the spell on you and save a lot of money? Its not a personal range spell.

 

[Iku Rex]

Incorrect:<snip>

How do you figure? Looks to me like my memory was dead-on. (Thanks for providing the link.)

Andy clearly doesn't care what he tells you, and given how he contradicts both himself* and the rules I don't put much confidence in his answers.


* According to Andy the spell description overrides the type description (with regards to spell-like and supernatural abilities). Then he turns around and claims that the type description overrides the spell description (with regards to extraordinary qualities).

 

[jgsugden]

How do you figure? Looks to me like my memory was dead-on. (Thanks for providing the link.)

Andy clearly doesn't care what he tells you, and given how he contradicts both himself* and the rules I don't put much confidence in his answers.


* According to Andy the spell description overrides the type description (with regards to spell-like and supernatural abilities). Then he turns around and claims that the type description overrides the spell description (with regards to extraordinary qualities).

"Looks right at a glance." How in the world does that indicate that he doesn't care? It indicates that he glanced at it and saw nothing wrong. In other words, he didn't search out each facet posted, but he did see that the general form was correct.

You're out on left field on this one ...