Ogremage
- Thread starter Eltern
- Start date
RigaMortus
Explorer
Can someone post the OgreMages stats, level by level? I'd like to comment on them...
jgsugden
Legend
Here is the problem - and it is a very common problem with regards to the law.
Fair Use restrictions were put into place for an intended type of use. The documentation of those intentions is rather extensive if you go search them out. We've stretched those uses far beyond the original intentions.
When you stretch a law, the people that originally created that law (or other people benefiting from it) tend to get upset and ask the law to be rewritten to prevent it from being so broadly interpreted. Being that these people were the ones that had the power to make sure the law was put in the books in the first place, they usually have the power to make the laws get altered. As a result, the law becomes more restrictive and more complex. This creates more litigation and makes lawyers happy.
I strongly urge anyone that claims use of 'fair use' laws to do some research on them before using them. There is a high cost for everyone is they are abused.
Fair Use restrictions were put into place for an intended type of use. The documentation of those intentions is rather extensive if you go search them out. We've stretched those uses far beyond the original intentions.
When you stretch a law, the people that originally created that law (or other people benefiting from it) tend to get upset and ask the law to be rewritten to prevent it from being so broadly interpreted. Being that these people were the ones that had the power to make sure the law was put in the books in the first place, they usually have the power to make the laws get altered. As a result, the law becomes more restrictive and more complex. This creates more litigation and makes lawyers happy.
I strongly urge anyone that claims use of 'fair use' laws to do some research on them before using them. There is a high cost for everyone is they are abused.
Last edited:
jgsugden
Legend
I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your analysis. I am not providing any opinion regarding the analysis. I am just encouraging people to try to understand Fair Use provisions before trying to use them. Knowing why the Fair Use provisions are there is as important as knowing the words in the provisions.dcollins said:
I will note that some rulings on Fair Use have been very restrictive, specifically regarding what falls in the specified categories of use.
Epametheus
First Post
Ogre Mages would be another "low HD but high ECL" race, wouldn't they?
Ogre Mages are so different from the normal ogres because they're really Japanese Oni, and an Oni is a very different beast from the slobbering hulk that an Ogre is. The Pen and the Sword are both in that thing's blood.
Ogre Mages are so different from the normal ogres because they're really Japanese Oni, and an Oni is a very different beast from the slobbering hulk that an Ogre is. The Pen and the Sword are both in that thing's blood.
jgsugden
Legend
If you're going to start mixing sorcerer levels and ogre mages, I suggest doing a rewrite of the ogre mage. I rewrote them to remove their spell-like abilities, but gave them sorcerer spellcasting ability (effective 10 levels) including the spells found in their spell-like abilities. I bumped up their CR to 10 and their LA to +8.Eltern said:
So far, it has worked very well. My ogre mage sorcerer 10 is a fine CR 20 creature while a normal ogre mage sorcerer 10 would be a pathetic foe for a 20th level party.
