OK, we're gettng a little annoyed here!

[Plane Sailing]

Stop being fair about bans. Make them public, arbitrary, and random.

Now where did I put that d56,335?

 

[HeinorNY]

Apartheid
Two 4E forums, one for the fanboys and one for the naysayers, so they can release their passion and fury.
And a third forum for the real constructive discussion.

 

[Tiew]

Now where did I put that d56,335?

Hehehehe. Yeah.

I originally had "somewhat arbitrary, and somewhat random" but then I saw I used somewhat again in the next sentence and took it out.

 

[nerfherder]

Now where did I put that d56,335?

Sadly, it's too big for Invisible Castle...

 

[Blackrat]

Sadly, it's too big for Invisible Castle...

But not for this http://www.costik.com/frpdice.html

 

[Pbartender]

Sadly, it's too big for Invisible Castle...

No it's, not... you just have to know the trick.

Sorry, oldschooler, user #28925... you're BANNED.


The trouble is that there are so many accounts here with post counts in the single digits, the vast majority wouldn't even notice if you banned them for a week or two.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I'm interested. Why do you think

a) civility rules
b) presuming everyones opinion has at least some merit
c) presuming there are two sides to an issue

encourages antisocial behaviour?

It seems to me that those three things are conducive to polite, rational, intelligent discussion - and in fact the lack of those three elements would hugely encourage antisocial behaviour.

So could you explain your opinion here?

Thanks

I can explain it, if you'll permit me some hyperbole that probably isn't applicable to ENWorld's specific 4e problems.

A, B, and C encourage folks to adopt positions that, in a sane world, would be roundly and publicly ridiculed.

Not all opinions deserve serious consideration, and not all issues have two equal sides.

The anonymity of internet exacerbates this phenomenon even further. You can spout some nonsense on the internet that not only wouldn't be tolerated in person, it might properly get you a face full of fist.

There should be limits to civility, because some things do not warrant a civil response.

EDIT: To put it another way, the possibility that you will be publicly shamed, and/or possibly get your teeth knocked in, justifiably so, works far better towards discouraging anti-social behavior than the knowledge that there is a forum where your wack-job opinions will be welcomed and officially protected.

 

[nerfherder]

No it's, not... you just have to know the trick.

Sorry, oldschooler, user #28925... you're BANNED.


The trouble is that there are so many accounts here with post counts in the single digits, the vast majority wouldn't even notice if you banned them for a week or two.

Good one

 

[helium3]

EDIT: To put it another way, the possibility that you will be publicly shamed, and/or possibly get your teeth knocked in, justifiably so, works far better towards discouraging anti-social behavior than the knowledge that there is a forum where your wack-job opinions will be welcomed and officially protected.

And the only way to do this in a forum environment is to make sure there are enough mods to do the job. They're the only ones that should have the power to "kick teeth in."

From the OP, it sounds like the actual identifiable problem here is that the mods are being overwhelmed by a mountain of complaints about supposed bad behavior.

I'm 100% behind PlaneSailing on the call for civility and you're absolutely correct that people with "issues" aren't going to respond to said call. I still think the strategy I outlined in my overly long post from last night is the way to go.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Originally Posted by Henry
Correct. Threadcrapping is something like:

Poster 1: I think 4E Wizards sound great! Can't wait to play one!
Poster 2: I can't stand those implements ideas! Where are my wizards with no reliance on material components?
Poster 3: Apparently, they're locked away, along with any shred of material that would make a decent game.

Guess who's the one we'll be saying a word to above?

Poster 3 here might be aiming for sarcastic humour, but to me, certainly they come across as an uneccessary post, and over time become increasingly irrirtating.

Personally, I'm happy to read any opinion, so long as it is backed up with some information and a reason why the poster is holding that opinion.

"That sucks! It's rubbish! It's going to make the game terrible!" is irritating.

"That sucks! It's rubbish! it's going to make the game terrible! My players can already see these flaws in this material that are going to lead to these problems and I'm suggesting this as a useful solution..." is an interesting post that is worth reading.

My own personal pet peeve is endless polls asking essentially pointless questions. "What do you think of this?" - well, I can answer that in a post - it doesn't need a poll, especially on each and every small detail.