On Subraces...

Do you use Subraces

  • No. An elf's an elf.

    Votes: 19 22.9%
  • Some, Like Drow NPCs

    Votes: 6 7.2%
  • Some like Drow, but I allow PCs to use them.

    Votes: 17 20.5%
  • Yes, but only for NPCs

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Yes, and I allow PCs to use them.

    Votes: 29 34.9%
  • Other (setting specific ones, etc).

    Votes: 11 13.3%

I don't mind the major subdivisions like Duergar, Drow and Eladrin, but Gold Dwarves, Ghostwise Halflings or Wild Elves are too much.
 

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I don't mind the major subdivisions like Duergar, Drow and Eladrin, but Gold Dwarves, Ghostwise Halflings or Wild Elves are too much.


I think full write-ups would be too much, yeah. But feating the subraces was just fine. I only wish they'd also give us the more generic "Greyhawk" versions now.

Well.. Aquatic Elves or Winged Elves might need separate write-ups if they returned to the game. Averiel is still a nice sounding race name, but I'm sure 4E Aquatic Elves would need a new and more flavorful name than Aquatic Elf. Of course, the designers are pretty firmly against flying PCs this time around, so I doubt we'll even see Averiel show up. But I would like to see Aquatic Elves (whatever they may be called), along with other aquatic races show up in perhapse an aquatic themed sourcebook.

On the subject of environmental-themed sourcebooks and subraces, another one that leaps to mind would be a book on arctic adventures, and some races from those settings. But in that case, I don't think the Eldred (the blue-skined arctic elves) are the kind of thing that would need a full race write-up. Just an Eladrin subrace feat.
 


Speaking of which, what would you all think of the Avariel returning? Should it ever be possible? I always liked them.

I've never been of the opinion that flying was an unbalancing racial feature. It's doesn't help the rest of the party circumvent obsticals, and you have to be careful to use it in battle unless you can hover, and make sure you're not airborn when you're suddenly too wounded to fly.

So.. Yeah, I'd like to see the Averiel return. And the Sylph too. Defnately the Sylph.
 

Speaking of which, what would you all think of the Avariel returning? Should it ever be possible? I always liked them.
I wouldn't mind (nobody in my group has any interest in flying elves), provided WotC comes up with some wings for Dragonborn FIRST!
 

Simple question: do you use subraces?

Nyet.

I voted for the second option. However, using such subraces are rare and they have to have a good reason to exist. (If you want to be technical, you could consider githzerai and githyanki to be subraces, grimlocks to be a human subrace, etc.)

I just try to keep them to a minimum. Any named subrace (eg wild/wood vs high elf) would be cultural only in my campaign.
 

I don't use subraces in the sense of wood elves or high elves, but then again I don't really consider drow, for instance, to be a subrace. They're a separate race descended from elves. In Fourth Edition, the same is true of eladrin; even though you can reasonably say that eladrin have taken over the old "high elf" niche, practically speaking I accept them as a separate elf-like race, not an elven subrace.
 

Nyet.

I voted for the second option. However, using such subraces are rare and they have to have a good reason to exist. (If you want to be technical, you could consider githzerai and githyanki to be subraces, grimlocks to be a human subrace, etc.)

I just try to keep them to a minimum. Any named subrace (eg wild/wood vs high elf) would be cultural only in my campaign.

Not even allow subrace feats?
 

I don't use subraces in the sense of wood elves or high elves, but then again I don't really consider drow, for instance, to be a subrace. They're a separate race descended from elves. In Fourth Edition, the same is true of eladrin; even though you can reasonably say that eladrin have taken over the old "high elf" niche, practically speaking I accept them as a separate elf-like race, not an elven subrace.


Technicaly speaking, Eladrin are High and Grey Elves (and I would say from their origins and visual characteristics, Ghost Elves), while Elves are Sylvan/Wood and Wild Elves, and of course Drow are Drow/Dark Elves.
 


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