Aldarc
Legend
...which requires that the Sorcerer pick the draconic bloodline subclass. Also UA Sorcerer options mean jack. Got anything better? How about the comparison between Wizard and Warlock proficiencies? It's been a page since you've posted that. I bet you're itching to post it again.@Aldarc funny you'd bring up mage armor given how dragon sorcerer & more than one sorcerer UA has base 13+dex ac without needing to cast mage armor.
I don't recall implying that "the wizard has massive amounts of wizard specific stuff," as I thought that this would be self-evident, but whatever.You say that you've read the overlap yet keep questioning if there is overlap and implying that wizard has massive amounts of wizard specific stuff so lets chase this rabbit hole you seem so desperate to dive into...
Spells are toys for casters. Wizards get a larger spell list, more spells known and prepared, and the largest default list of ritual spells.What are these toys you were talking about when you said "The wizard gets more toys than the sorcerer" Be specific & try to limit yourself to the few core class things that wizard has but sorcerer does not..
As it turns out, a Sorlock is not a Sorcerer nor is it a class in the 5e Player's Handbook.if you say "ritual spells" be specific about which spells or how a wizard can build a distinct theme around them with more depth than "guy who casts tiny hut for the scorlock".
The Sorcerer and Wizard share three skills: Arcana, Insight, and Religion, which all favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Wizard additionally has History, Investigation, and Medicine, which favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Sorcerer additionally has Deception, Intimidation, and Persuasion, which favor a Sorcerer's higher Charisma. Also, this is mostly a moot point in 5e due to Backgrounds, which allows a tremendous amount of flexibility for characters of all classes.The fact that sorcerer can choose nearly all of the skills wizards can choose plus some extra social skills and has a virtually identical spell list.
Also, that's not a virtually identical spell list. If it was, then people playing the various Sorcerer subclasses would not be complaining about the lack of thematically appropriate spells that Sorcerers lack that Wizards have. While you are at it, assuming you actually wanted a consistent argument, you should complain about the Warlocks and Bards stealing the spell lists of Wizards.
You are right: they felt very different. Wizard was a godlike Tier 1 class and Sorcerer was a Tier 2 class that was largely considered a "2nd class wizard." And when thinking of their godlike status in 3e, Wizards hated their lot in 4e so much that they stole the Sorcerer's spontaneous casting for 5e. But clearly the problem is the Sorcerer and not the fact that WotC improving the lot of Wizards.Yes in 3.5 the two had the same spell list, but in 3.5 sorcerer had a casting mechanic that was different from every other spellcaster and Intelligence as a stat as well as int based skills were far more valuable making them play out differently at the table.