Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[Hussar]

Show me the official well playtested 5e Greyhawk campaign crunch? If you can do that, it's available. If you cannot, it is not.

Again, I get what you're saying, but, you seem to be ignoring what I'm pointing out.

You will NEVER GET THIS. It is not going to happen. Or, if it does happen, it's going to be YEARS down the road. It's been more than a decade since Greyhawk got any official material for it. And that was in Dragon. Which still wouldn't satisfy you since it's not in a hardbound book and it's not particularly well playtested.

So, you have a choice. Either sit and bitch about something that is never going to happen, or unclench just a smidgeon and look at what is actually out there. I mean, it might not be official, but, it's pretty well play tested and it's written by people who are very much experts on all things Greyhawk, so, basically, your only hangup is that the Oerth Journal doesn't have that official seal of approval.

Not that that seal of approval means much. My Ghosts of Saltmarsh includes the adventure - Isle of the Abbey. In the Abbey, there is a room in which are described, in the boxed text, three ogre zombies and a crystal minotaur golem. The stats are one ogre zombie, two ghasts and one crystal minotaur golem. So much for proof reading. Never minding that in the same adventure, a couple of rooms to the west, there's a room where two minotaur skeletons and five undead figures are guarding the exits. The stats call for 2 minotaur skeletons, a bodak and 2 wraiths. Guess someone couldn't count.

At the end of the day, you have to choose - either sit and wait and bitch or look at what's actually available right now. Because, right now? There's some bloody fantastic stuff for Greyhawk being written. Sorry it's just not in the format that suits you.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Not that it's any of your business, but I thought he was making a funny.

I was. But also kind of making a point. My session tonight took place in Greyhawk. Worked just fine.

 

[Maxperson]

I was. But also kind of making a point. My session tonight took place in Greyhawk. Worked just fine.

I never said you couldn't play in Greyhawk with what is around now. I said that what I am asking for isn't in the PHB, and it's not.

 

[hawkeyefan]

I never said you couldn't play in Greyhawk with what is around now. I said that what I am asking for isn't in the PHB, and it's not.

I know, and I get it. All I was saying is that all that’s needed to do so is in there.

I know you want some additional crunch. I’m not quite sure what that may be. Given that the setting originated prior to the majority of crunchy elements that later editions added, it seems odd. Feats, backgrounds, subclasses, prestige classes....none really seem to suit the setting, generally. Beyond those general ones already in the PHB.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Again, I get what you're saying, but, you seem to be ignoring what I'm pointing out.

You will NEVER GET THIS. It is not going to happen. Or, if it does happen, it's going to be YEARS down the road. It's been more than a decade since Greyhawk got any official material for it. And that was in Dragon. Which still wouldn't satisfy you since it's not in a hardbound book and it's not particularly well playtested.

So, you have a choice. Either sit and bitch about something that is never going to happen, or unclench just a smidgeon and look at what is actually out there. I mean, it might not be official, but, it's pretty well play tested and it's written by people who are very much experts on all things Greyhawk, so, basically, your only hangup is that the Oerth Journal doesn't have that official seal of approval.

Not that that seal of approval means much. My Ghosts of Saltmarsh includes the adventure - Isle of the Abbey. In the Abbey, there is a room in which are described, in the boxed text, three ogre zombies and a crystal minotaur golem. The stats are one ogre zombie, two ghasts and one crystal minotaur golem. So much for proof reading. Never minding that in the same adventure, a couple of rooms to the west, there's a room where two minotaur skeletons and five undead figures are guarding the exits. The stats call for 2 minotaur skeletons, a bodak and 2 wraiths. Guess someone couldn't count.

At the end of the day, you have to choose - either sit and wait and bitch or look at what's actually available right now. Because, right now? There's some bloody fantastic stuff for Greyhawk being written. Sorry it's just not in the format that suits you.

I mean, Ghosts of Saltmarsh...

 

[jmucchiello]

I know, and I get it. All I was saying is that all that’s needed to do so is in there.

I know you want some additional crunch. I’m not quite sure what that may be. Given that the setting originated prior to the majority of crunchy elements that later editions added, it seems odd. Feats, backgrounds, subclasses, prestige classes....none really seem to suit the setting, generally. Beyond those general ones already in the PHB.

Technically the PHB has too much in it. Dragonborn? Tieflings? They aren't in Greyhawk. What are these Warlocks and Sorcerers?

And it is missing stuff: Where are the sun elves? They might be eladrin now?

But actual Greyhawk specific crunch? I do not recall there being any crunch in World of Greyhawk or the other Greyhawk books. Now Greyhawk Adventures, that has some crunch. Let's spells specific to clerics half of which are now in the PHB. A suggestion on 2nd ed sphere's clerics of certain deities should be restricted too. Okay. More spells, some of which are PHB spells.

Ah, the Scarlet Brotherhood. It's led by a basically standard Monk 16. No special Brotherhood crunch here. No kits, for example.

Monsters, spells, magic items. Here you can at least say some of this stuff has Greyhawk fluff attached to it. But the crunch is usable in any campaign.

TL;DR: My point is the Greyhawk setting releases has never been a place for real crunch. You have the fluff.

 

[Greg K]

Isn't that a sell out? A professional who takes direction and works on someone else's project?

When talking about art and illustration, I know of some illustrators and fine artists whom have said that illustrating others work is a form of "prostitution" (doing so almost exclusively in jest). However, I have never any of them claim them that illustrators were not professionals as even prostitutes get paid for their work.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sell out is generally when you make drastic changes to something in order to make more money which may or may not work.

I don't think it applies to getting paid for work.

 

[Sword of Spirit]

And it is missing stuff: Where are the sun elves? They might be eladrin now?

Does Greyhawk have sun elves? The PHB does mention the FR sun elves (they are a variety of high elves).

 

[jmucchiello]

Does Greyhawk have sun elves? The PHB does mention the FR sun elves (they are a variety of high elves).

I thought GH had all the elf varieties.