Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

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In a vacumn I don't mind most things. Except Kender.
So you're saying you'd be opposed to Kender in a vacuum? That doesn't seem like you at all, you seem more like the in space there's no one to hear you scream kinda guy there. Personally, I like looking out the porthole and watching their little frozen faces float by, hoopaks clutched tight in icy fingers. YMMV.
 

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So you're saying you'd be opposed to Kender in a vacuum? That doesn't seem like you at all, you seem more like the in space there's no one to hear you scream kinda guy there. Personally, I like looking out the porthole and watching their little frozen faces float by, hoopaks clutched tight in icy fingers. YMMV.

Heh. Vlad Tepes style for Kender.

I have heard that Paladin's can smite Kender and doing so is regarded as a good act.
 

Sword of Many Things could be a great cursed item. It changes form every round, roll on the d100 table to see what you're wielding this turn. A zucchini! Three goldfish in a sock! A Gnome Paladin impaled on a pointed Stick!! Solid gold baby, I'm using it.

There, fixed it for ya.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar
 

How can you strap me to a rocket if you're living in the Forgotten Realms? The Forgotten Realms has been stuck in a state of perpetual non-advancement for the last thousand years. 🙃
Ah, see, if you really knew the Forgotten Realms, you'd know that Kara-Tur has rockets. The kind that are designed to explode.
 

Again, I get what you're saying, but, you seem to be ignoring what I'm pointing out.

You will NEVER GET THIS. It is not going to happen. Or, if it does happen, it's going to be YEARS down the road. It's been more than a decade since Greyhawk got any official material for it. And that was in Dragon. Which still wouldn't satisfy you since it's not in a hardbound book and it's not particularly well playtested.
Maybe. On the other hand, there's a petition going around to get a 5e Greyhawk and it has the support of Luke Gygax, another of those like Mercer who plays in groups and venues that people go watch and pay for, so maybe it will get traction.
 

Valley elves, grugach, wood elves, grey elves, high elves, drow, aquatic elves... but sun elf is the Forgotten Realms term for a high elf. So yes, and no on GH having all elf varieties. They have pretty much all of them, but not necessarily using the same terms.
It's confusing, but Sun Elves are the Grey Elves and the Moon Elves were high elves. The FR lore says Sun = High, but the stats are wrong. They are just known as "high elves" in the Realms. Grey elves had an int bonus like Sun elves. Moon elves had a dex bonus like the high elves.
 

Here's what they did for 5e. There are two standard mechanical elf subraces: High, and Wood.

GH Gray, Valley, and High => High
FR Sun and Moon => High

GH Wood and Wild (Grugach) => Wood
FR Wood and Wild => Wood

Also:
DL Silvanesti and Qualinesti => High
DL Kagonesti => Wood

It's not terribly complicated. It's all in the PHB on p. 23-24, and about all you have to remember is that if you're a surface terrestrial elf, you're mechanically either High or Wood.
 


Consistency.
-omitted-
Authority.

Agree with pretty much everything you said, but I would also say that the number one reason I see for wanting official products is consistency of rules and authority to resolve debates on RAW/RAI by a third party.

Players: "Why GM! the books says I can do X so I built my character around X, but now your saying I can't do X at all even though I could do it last session!?!?"
<Calling the Authority of Official to in force consistency in the rules, so the GM doesn't change the rules to shift the sands in there favor when it convenient to them. >

GM: "Look, this isn't homebrew, the rules are the rules. I am not telling you how to play, I didn't make new rules for this fight, nor did I build this encounter. It's official content and was play tested and deemed fine. I can tweak some stuff a little bit but I pretty much intend to stick to the script"
< Calling the Authority of Official to in force consistency in the rules, means being able to hold the players to same rules with out having to take the blame for each player having something they don't like. One player doesn't like grappling rules, one does like perception rules, one doesn't like not being all powerful... they all try to blame it on the GM but the GM didn't make this. So instead of everything being the GMs fault. If the GM chooses to introduce homebrew at the players request the GM doing the player a favor.>

The power of making debates about a trusted 3rd Parties rules removes a certain personal accountability from the players and GM. Any argument where players and GM disagree can be resolved by just taking the official answer which almost always is expectable by both parties without becoming personal. Players on the other hand can't homebrew while GM homebrew that players don't like can be personally insulting to the GM when rejected and feel like personal attacks to players when its specifically them who is effected (usually nerfed or restricted). Like wise when a player brings in a 3rd party character from a non-official source and it does badly the GM can easily blame players for finding something broken and/or trying to power game. Official content can be circumstantially broken but the player can point to it not being the character but the combination of the character and the setup the GM created. In that case, the player has an argument not to be robbed of their "chance to shine" instead of being called a power gamer.

Some Players will still power game and some GMs will still rail road, but both players and GMs feel like they are less likely to have to deal with these if they use only official material. Which often leads to players being restricted to official and no-UA content. It also leads to GMs who have been continually nagged by players not liking their homebrew or have to settle debates between player preferences in homebrew by just calling official.

Essay done. Sorry for the long post. But if you know me you know I write books in forums. … still sorry though. Thanks for reading.
 


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