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Onyx Equinox - new MesoAmerican anime series (Crunchyroll)

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
So I came across Onyx Equinox a new Anime inspired series on Crunchyroll, I watched up to episode 2.

The show is inspired by the myths of Mesoamerica and apparently the writter grew up in Mexico and wanted to showcase the ‘Mesoamerican culture’. Blood sacrifice is a central theme but not vilified as Evil.

Its quite bloody, so are you interested?

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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I don’t love the idea of blood sacrifice being treated as good. My ancestors on both sides of my family, Mexican and European, sacrificed people to their gods back in the day. I don’t especially want to lionize either.

Other than that, it looks interesting.
 

Dragonblade

Adventurer
The Aztecs were irredeemably evil by any objective standard. Ancient or modern. They brutally enslaved the neighboring tribes and routinely sacrificed thousands in blood soaked rituals, including innocent children. Their priests would cut out the hearts of victims who were still alive, and drenched themselves in their blood, even fashioning capes from human skin.

The other indigenous tribes they had conquered, despised and hated the Aztecs so ferociously that they quickly embraced Cortez, seizing on the opportunity to throw off their oppressers forever even if it meant swearing fealty to the Spanish. In fact, it is only with the support of native revolutionaries who joined his men that Cortez was able to triumph at all. The Spanish didn't defeat the Aztecs, it was a coalition of allied native tribes and the Spanish together. Not that the Spanish were good guys either, but compared to living under Aztec terror, it was an easy choice for the other tribes to side with the foreigners.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
The Aztecs were irredeemably evil by any objective standard. Ancient or modern. They brutally enslaved the neighboring tribes and routinely sacrificed thousands in blood soaked rituals, including innocent children. Their priests would cut out the hearts of victims who were still alive, and drenched themselves in their blood, even fashioning capes from human skin.

The other indigenous tribes they had conquered, despised and hated the Aztecs so ferociously that they quickly embraced Cortez, seizing on the opportunity to throw off their oppressers forever even if it meant swearing fealty to the Spanish. In fact, it is only with the support of native revolutionaries who joined his men that Cortez was able to triumph at all. The Spanish didn't defeat the Aztecs, it was a coalition of allied native tribes and the Spanish together. Not that the Spanish were good guys either, but compared to living under Aztec terror, it was an easy choice for the other tribes to side with the foreigners.
Don’t let the Spanish off the hook. It was evil oppressor against evil oppressor. The land was going to soaked in blood and worked by slaves either way.
 



Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Just to clarify the show is kinda neutral the morality of Blood Sacrifice, in asa much as it portrays the humans as suffering under the demand of gods and monsters.

And indeed a better look at Aztec culture shows that it wasnt particularly brutal or in any way Evil. It was a loving, friendly culture with a love of art and flowers. But the gods demanded blood and the people accepted the blood debt which they owed.

Hard to accept by todays standards, but its too simplistic to apply the D&D alignment
 

Zsong

Explorer
Just to clarify the show is kinda neutral the morality of Blood Sacrifice, in asa much as it portrays the humans as suffering under the demand of gods and monsters.

And indeed a better look at Aztec culture shows that it wasnt particularly brutal or in any way Evil. It was a loving, friendly culture with a love of art and flowers. But the gods demanded blood and the people accepted the blood debt which they owed.

Hard to accept by todays standards, but its too simplistic to apply the D&D alignment
I could not even begin to possibly understand the tolerance of sacrificing a human being alive, cutting their heart out while they are still living and eating them and giving any moral justification for it. To watch torture a person to death like that is an impossibility for anyone but the most evil.
 


Dragonblade

Adventurer
Just to clarify the show is kinda neutral the morality of Blood Sacrifice, in asa much as it portrays the humans as suffering under the demand of gods and monsters.

And indeed a better look at Aztec culture shows that it wasnt particularly brutal or in any way Evil. It was a loving, friendly culture with a love of art and flowers. But the gods demanded blood and the people accepted the blood debt which they owed.

Hard to accept by todays standards, but its too simplistic to apply the D&D alignment

It depends on whether D&D alignment means that the alignment saturates every thought, action, and behavior. That its impossible for someone chaotic evil to ever demonstrate a behavior contrary to it. I don't know that I've ever run a game that way.

Full disclosure, I've long abandoned the concept of alignment, but even in my games before I dropped it, it was more of an aggregate measure of the totality of one's actions and attitudes.

For example, you could have vampire that concealed their transformation and is still extraordinarily loving and fond of the mortal kin they left behind, while being sociopathic and evil towards anyone outside of that group. The aggregate of their alignment would be neutral evil. But towards their former family they could even demonstrate love and kindness. Though over time, their undead nature is likely to further corrupt their beliefs and attitudes until they became abusive or murderous even towards former loved ones.
 

Zsong

Explorer
It depends on whether D&D alignment means that the alignment saturates every thought, action, and behavior. That its impossible for someone chaotic evil to ever demonstrate a behavior contrary to it. I don't know that I've ever run a game that way.

Full disclosure, I've long abandoned the concept of alignment, but even in my games before I dropped it, it was more of an aggregate measure of the totality of one's actions and attitudes.

For example, you could have vampire that concealed their transformation and is still extraordinarily loving and fond of the mortal kin they left behind, while being sociopathic and evil towards anyone outside of that group. The aggregate of their alignment would be neutral evil. But towards their former family they could even demonstrate love and kindness. Though over time, their undead nature is likely to further corrupt their beliefs and attitudes until they became abusive or murderous even towards former loved ones.
The first I would have a vampire turn on is their families and those they loved in life. But I like my undead evil to the bone. If they show kindness it’s a ploy. They are the damned.
 

Dragonblade

Adventurer
The first I would have a vampire turn on is their families and those they loved in life. But I like my undead evil to the bone. If they show kindness it’s a ploy. They are the damned.

Yes, this is likely inevitable as their undead nature corrupts their beliefs and attitudes. Though if they are strong willed, they may resist this for a time. Years ago I ran this scenario in a game, and the PC's came in early enough that there was still some good in the vampire they could appeal to. In the end, through some great role-playing they were able to convince the vampire that it would be better if they let the PCs end their undead existence before they inevitably turned on their own family. The vampire's own vampire master wasn't so understanding though, and they had to fight and destroy them, to free the other vampire from its influence. It was a good game. :)
 

I could not even begin to possibly understand the tolerance of sacrificing a human being alive, cutting their heart out while they are still living and eating them and giving any moral justification for it. To watch torture a person to death like that is an impossibility for anyone but the most evil.

We put people in dehumanizing concrete prisons and mentally abuse them through a denial of freedom and social contact, while requiring them to survive against other people we've mentally abused the same way. When they're done, we throw them back into society and terrorize turn with the threat of sending them back if they ever disobey us.

And we call it justice.

It's impressive what the human brain can rationalize when you don't think of someone as a person.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I could not even begin to possibly understand the tolerance of sacrificing a human being alive, cutting their heart out while they are still living and eating them and giving any moral justification for it. To watch torture a person to death like that is an impossibility for anyone but the most evil.

my direct ancestors were cannibals - its not a culinary choice I’d ever consider, but I dont think it makes them particularly evil either.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
my direct ancestors were cannibals - its not a culinary choice I’d ever consider, but I dont think it makes them particularly evil either.
Did they cut the hearts out of children while they were still alive?

Or, honestly the Spanish did stuff I don’t even want to say.

Im comfortable saying a group, even a culture in extreme cases, can be evil. The Conquistadors, Cortez, Columbus, and the Aztec priests, were evil.
 

Eltab

Is this a moon, or is it a space station?
To my knowledge, there is not actually any requirement to denounce the Conquistadors every time something about the "discovering America" era comes up. Their deeds are already well-known.
 

Zsong

Explorer
To my knowledge, there is not actually any requirement to denounce the Conquistadors every time something about the "discovering America" era comes up. Their deeds are already well-known.
Well we apparently have to denounce lovecraft every time we say we love his literature.
 

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