Wrahn - The following spells are all on the bard spell list, core rules only:
Darkness
Detect Scrying
Disguise Self
False Vision
Glibness
Invisibility
Invisibility, Greater
Invisibility Sphere
Lullaby
Misdirection
Mislead
Nystul's Magic Aura
Project Image
Sculpt Sound
Seeming
Silence
Undetectable Alignment
Veil
Ventriloquism
Zone of Silence
As you can see, deceiving senses of various kinds is most certainly in their MO. All of these spells are gained at or before the wizard spell level, and you'll notice that 3 (zone of silence for sound, sculpt sound for a whole party's sounds, and glibness for magical lie detection) are actually exclusive to the bard. Nor do they pick and choose which sense to block. There's pretty much every flavor of magical or mundane sense here, with the glaring exception of blindsight and blindsense.
Likewise, the assassin spell list shows an egregious concern for remaining undetected, but it's obviously a considerably less deep list to draw from.
As for bad form, I am begging a certain amount of leeway here, since I haven't played or DMed epic before. I don't doubt that tweaks here and there will be necessary. Aside from that, I would like to point out (no offense to OneAboveAll) that we're playing with someone who doesn't even have a character posted in the RG thread yet. I was also careful to point out the problem I saw as soon as I noticed it, and before it could have had any possible impact on the game in one way or the other. Fortunately, at the beginning of the game we're also "among friends", as it were, and I'm not going to be deciding any crucial context or plot point one way or the other for a while.
Wrahn said:
I would say the same rules apply here DC 40 spot check to notice someone who is "invisible" to blindsight. Completely negating your reason for having it.
SRD said:
If you are invisible, you gain a +40 bonus on Hide checks if you are immobile, or a +20 bonus on Hide checks if you’re moving.
That mostly covers it, but I'm not even asking for that much. I'm not even getting total invisibility to blindsight - it just downgrades to normal vision. No +40 or +20 bonuses for me.
Wrahn said:
When you use Alter Self to turn into a Dune Stalker...
Did I say dune stalker? Apologies. I meant
dark stalker, in the
Fiend Folio. The dune stalker has too many HD, and isn't even a humanoid. Also, it doesn't really work for my "form of... a NINJA!" spell. It's on page 37 of that book. You'll note that I'm net getting any bonuses at the moment (insufficiently shadowy); it's more of an rp marker signifying that Arion is in a rather different frame of mind than usual.
Ferrix said:
I think an ingenious trick to pull Kelleris (though really hazardous) would be to travel in a vacuum bubble...
And how on earth would I pull that off, assuming it's even a good idea? Forming vacuum bubbles is way outside the bardic bag of tricks, much more so than shielding a creature from a given sense of perception.
And developing new spells is, after all, well within the rules. It's in the core rulebooks, as a matter of fact.
Kangaxx - Epic games just require a really light touch to keep from degenerating into something we would presumably not want to play. Witness all the haggling over items before. I mostly kept to pretty within-bounds items, but there are some other spell/skill things I need to be sure of before this gets too far along.
