OOC - [Epic] Scions of the Endless Falls - Full
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Rikandur Azebol said:
My Pleasure, I am one of those sick people who enjoy this sort of thing.
I will correct all. And not, I wouldn't change feats ... They would work everywhere, even in places where magic don't work. And this flighty item ... Yes, it will be useful. Mix it with "Constitution" bonus and make it irremovable for double price. Yes, it should be nice. Or move HP bonus to Earth's Child Torc.
You can actually jump farther than with the flight item, so I would ignore that. I looked in the SRD and Legendary Leaper does give different effects there (5ft run as opposed to 20ft), so I was wrong on that.
Still, you should move the Ironskin ring effect away from your other expensive powers, I would put it on your cloak if you want to keep it.
Loyalty Greater Ring of Resistance 216,000
Hearts Guardian 15/adamantine DR, +5 Resistance to saves and enhancement Bonus to Natural Armor (512,500)
which is expensive, but not as bad as
Loyalty 15/Adamantine DR, Greater Elemental Resistance (724,000)
Heart's Guardian +5 Resistance bonus to saves and natural armor bonus (87,500)
If you follow the first one it is going to cost 261,500 off the million you had left, plus whatever other things you want to buy.
Remember, do your best to group big powers with smaller ones, you want to be multiplying the small ones by 1.5.
Other things I would consider is
Continuous 9th level Divine Favor 72,000 (+3 Luck Bonus to Hit and Damage)
Continuous 10th level Prescience, Offensive 40,000 (+5 Insight Bonus to Damage)
Continuous 10th Level Precognition, Offensive 40,000 (+4 Insight Bonus to Hit)
Since you don't have your hand slot taken I would go with something like:
The Hand of Aeterna Continuous Divine Favor (9th), Continuous Prescience, Offensive (10th), Continuous Precognition, Offensive (10th) (192,000)
(+3 Luck Bonus to hit, +4 Insight Bonus to hit, +3 Luck Bonus to Damage, +5 Insight Bonus to damage)
These gauntlets are marked with the sign of Aeterna, a primodial semi-divine entity associated with time. They allow those who are wearing them to glimpse a moment ahead of time and guide their weapon to strike true.
Kelleris
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Hmm... Forgot you had your half-dragon wilder, Zack. Well, I'm sure Isida already has someone she's leaning toward anyway.
As for actual OOC stuff - is everyone waiting for me to say something? That last post of mine was intended to indicate that arion isn't willing to say what he know just yet. So you should either continue with whatever you were doing, or follow up on the bits I dropped IC and ask Arion what he's thinking.
OneAboveAll - I noticed you took one level of contemplative for the Mysticism domain. Odd choice for a fighter-oriented celestial, isn't it? Oh, wait, it gives you your Cha bonus to saves. You obviously needed that. I mean just check out how your saves match up against everyone else's:
Rahveon:
Fortitude - +48
Reflex - +41
Will - +46
Total - +135
Sigrún:
Fortitude - +31
Reflex - +31
Will - +41
Total - +103
Pilmer:
Fortitude - +30
Reflex - +39
Will - +42
Total - +111
Caira:
Fortitude - +26
Reflex - +26
Will - +43
Total - +95
Arion:
Fortitude - +28 (+30 vs. poison)
Reflex - +36 (+47 in melee)
Will - +24
Total - +88 (+99)
Su'ryuu
Fortitude - +24
Reflex - +22
Will - +24
Total - +70
Tsunami
Fortitude - +25
Reflex - +19
Will - +18
Total - +62
And you only have +49/+40/+54. Because the game system really starts to show some flaws at epic levels, and it demands a little moderation and consideration for other characters and the DM when making your character.
As for actual OOC stuff - is everyone waiting for me to say something? That last post of mine was intended to indicate that arion isn't willing to say what he know just yet. So you should either continue with whatever you were doing, or follow up on the bits I dropped IC and ask Arion what he's thinking.
OneAboveAll - I noticed you took one level of contemplative for the Mysticism domain. Odd choice for a fighter-oriented celestial, isn't it? Oh, wait, it gives you your Cha bonus to saves. You obviously needed that. I mean just check out how your saves match up against everyone else's:
Rahveon:
Fortitude - +48
Reflex - +41
Will - +46
Total - +135
Sigrún:
Fortitude - +31
Reflex - +31
Will - +41
Total - +103
Pilmer:
Fortitude - +30
Reflex - +39
Will - +42
Total - +111
Caira:
Fortitude - +26
Reflex - +26
Will - +43
Total - +95
Arion:
Fortitude - +28 (+30 vs. poison)
Reflex - +36 (+47 in melee)
Will - +24
Total - +88 (+99)
Su'ryuu
Fortitude - +24
Reflex - +22
Will - +24
Total - +70
Tsunami
Fortitude - +25
Reflex - +19
Will - +18
Total - +62
And you only have +49/+40/+54. Because the game system really starts to show some flaws at epic levels, and it demands a little moderation and consideration for other characters and the DM when making your character.
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Kelleris-
You, of all people, should not talk about others taking cheesy prestige classes with no basis what so ever. Mr. Duelist (3.0).
We are not having arguments about our characters, lest I unload on you, which believe me, I have not thus far.
(On a side note, Lest and Thus are great words, people should use them more)
You, of all people, should not talk about others taking cheesy prestige classes with no basis what so ever. Mr. Duelist (3.0).
We are not having arguments about our characters, lest I unload on you, which believe me, I have not thus far.
(On a side note, Lest and Thus are great words, people should use them more)
Kelleris
Explorer
I took that PrC to get my AC up to a respectable level (i.e., 7 points below the celestial's). If it would have given me an 80 AC, I would never have done it. If the celestial had low saves to begin with, I could accept the cheese. As it is, he now has a Will save *30 points higher than mine*.
These are different cases, I think. Avoiding cheese altogether and showing restraint are two very different things.
These are different cases, I think. Avoiding cheese altogether and showing restraint are two very different things.
*Waggles finger*
Tempers and tongues under control gentlemen...
No more sniping about saves, AC, BAB, or damage. Legitimate discussions, yes, sniping and beating a dead horse, no.
Tempers and tongues under control gentlemen...
No more sniping about saves, AC, BAB, or damage. Legitimate discussions, yes, sniping and beating a dead horse, no.
Kelleris
Explorer
Ah. I apologize. Apparently when I think something is completely unreasonable and ask someone to show some deference for my enjoyment of the game, that automatically puts me in the wrong. And my evidence up there clearly shows that any encounter that could force certain people to roll saving throws and hope for something higher than a 2 would also be a reasonable one for my character and those of other players to take part in.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
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Kelleris
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Here is my concern. When I'm playing, I enjoy the excitement of being challenged, of having to roll a save against the nefarious attack in question. It's a good deal of fun to roll the dice and hope for that 14 I need, or whatever. It detracts from my enjoyment of the whole process to look over the table at another person yawning and rolling a 3 as she saves for the 487th time in a row. This lessens my enjoyment of the game.
Likewise, I built Arion the way I did because I wanted to be sneaky, and stealthy, and to know that I can do all these cool things. When I see someone across the table yawning and pointing at a cheap item on their character sheet, and I realize that the DM mollycoddling me is the only reason half the challenges we face don't involve similar circumstances (they sure aren't hard to make, it seems), I don't like it. This too lessens my enjoyment of the game.
These are the reasons why the rules put so much effort (usually) into keeping character balanced with each other. If this is not a legitimate concern, what would qualify? Detracting from the enjoyment of others is the only reason why cheating even matters. Otherwise, it's called a house rule and nobody minds.
Do I care that the melee-based characters will outshine me in melee, that magic-based characters have better casting than me, and about other, similar, things? No, not really, though I would still like them to have to put forth a little effort to do so. But I do care in the circumstances I've mentioned. These palpably affect my ability to have fun here.
When we agreed to play a game with other people, we tacitly agreed not to get in the way of other people's enjoyment of that game unless absolutely necessary.
I hardly enjoy argument for argument's sake. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't actually decreasing my interest in playing Arion. In fact, since everything I say has been challenged ad nauseum, I'm really glad I can just ask the DM now. But this is a concern I have that can't be dealt with just by Isida making a ruling, at least not without creating more problems than it solved.
Likewise, I built Arion the way I did because I wanted to be sneaky, and stealthy, and to know that I can do all these cool things. When I see someone across the table yawning and pointing at a cheap item on their character sheet, and I realize that the DM mollycoddling me is the only reason half the challenges we face don't involve similar circumstances (they sure aren't hard to make, it seems), I don't like it. This too lessens my enjoyment of the game.
These are the reasons why the rules put so much effort (usually) into keeping character balanced with each other. If this is not a legitimate concern, what would qualify? Detracting from the enjoyment of others is the only reason why cheating even matters. Otherwise, it's called a house rule and nobody minds.
Do I care that the melee-based characters will outshine me in melee, that magic-based characters have better casting than me, and about other, similar, things? No, not really, though I would still like them to have to put forth a little effort to do so. But I do care in the circumstances I've mentioned. These palpably affect my ability to have fun here.
When we agreed to play a game with other people, we tacitly agreed not to get in the way of other people's enjoyment of that game unless absolutely necessary.
I hardly enjoy argument for argument's sake. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't actually decreasing my interest in playing Arion. In fact, since everything I say has been challenged ad nauseum, I'm really glad I can just ask the DM now. But this is a concern I have that can't be dealt with just by Isida making a ruling, at least not without creating more problems than it solved.
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