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Kelleris
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I am not arguing with Wrahn. I am stating a general principle that I think has been violated in each of the concerns I have raised in this thread. Indeed, why would I be arguing with Wrahn when it was someone else's character that prompted me to raise this concern that I have? I want to explain myself and why I think I have a legitimate concern, and ask everyone to respect my concern a bit more than I see them doing.
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Kelleris-
Isida is a storyteller. My personal belief is she thinks rules get in the way, which is probably true. Balance is not her concern either, because in a story not all the characters are balanced.
You are continuing to bring things up she has asked you not to, which she finds is getting in the way of the story (guessing here), you are only going to make her frustrated and not want to run the game.
You should take three deep breaths and walk away from the computer. Come back later tonight or tomorrow, then, if you still feel you must, send me an email and we can discuss the pros and cons of it, Rules Lawyer to Rules Lawyer and leave the Storyteller out of it.
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Isida is a storyteller. My personal belief is she thinks rules get in the way, which is probably true. Balance is not her concern either, because in a story not all the characters are balanced.
You are continuing to bring things up she has asked you not to, which she finds is getting in the way of the story (guessing here), you are only going to make her frustrated and not want to run the game.
You should take three deep breaths and walk away from the computer. Come back later tonight or tomorrow, then, if you still feel you must, send me an email and we can discuss the pros and cons of it, Rules Lawyer to Rules Lawyer and leave the Storyteller out of it.
Okay?
Kelleris
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Right. If that is in fact how she feels, then her DMing style and my play style are apparently at odds. I do care about balance, and I do like to think my character is as powerful, interesting, and useful as other characters.
If that is how Isida feels, and no compromise of some sort is forthcoming, then I have a pretty substantial problem. Certain styles of play I find too grating to associate with without aggravation, good DM or no. It's nothing personal, I just can't stand it. Certain play styles just aren't compatible with my mine without some kind of compromise, that's all. Different people have different tastes.
If that is how Isida feels, and no compromise of some sort is forthcoming, then I have a pretty substantial problem. Certain styles of play I find too grating to associate with without aggravation, good DM or no. It's nothing personal, I just can't stand it. Certain play styles just aren't compatible with my mine without some kind of compromise, that's all. Different people have different tastes.
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Brother Shatterstone
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Wow, you people post alot... Could you make plans for a new OOC character... (That means soon, IC can go a little long for the good of the story but theirs really no need for an OOC. Of course talk to me Isida if you need more time.)
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Mad Hatter
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I've been reading both the OOC and the IC because I am an alternate and it behooves me to know the situation, so here are my two cents.
Balance is a key necessity to any game; because why would a dm wish to tell a story where she either has to downgrade and let the pcs do whatever or she has to make it insanely difficult and kill off other pcs?
I think that you might be missing a key point to Kell's argument, which is the fact you guys have items that really don't go with your character and have no story behind it. A 30th level character geared directly to a domain should not be foiled by a mundane item. What I think Kell is trying to say is that it is no fun when the dm has to go out of his/her way to give a pc something to do.
For example: What if a pc was a black slaad. The black slaad has phenomenal everything. But not only that the have 4 tongues that in a full attack action is a ranged touch that deals on average 20d4. After the initial damage, 11 rounds thereafter the target will take half that. And the black slaad can do this every full attack action. Not only that factor in millions of gp worth of stat boosters and items. Many of you would be useless. How would that make you feel?
But let me put it to you another way. It's the difference between Superman and Batman. Superman is strong and when he gets to a building with no doors he simply throws his body into it. He's that strong. Superman is only moderately smart. And now let's discuss Batman. He has skills. The man is a ninja, rich, and super smart. But Superman can trump Batman in the fact that he's strong and damned near invicnible. The only reason Batman would win is because located in his utility belt is enough kryptonite to kill Superman. How is it reasonable to equate Superman to Batman? Superman hits thing and make them break. Batman is interesting, he has depth. He uses his super smarts, his gadget, and his skill of martial arts. He isn't a one trick pony.
And Wrahn, if didn't matter about balance, how's about you play a 10th level character? How's about you give Kell an inch or a compromise? Because then that would truly show that balance isn't a necessity. What is the point of playing if you are significantly weaker than any other character because they have equipped one or two items that trumps 30 levels of build? Nothing bypasses mind blank or true seeing. If balance isn't an issue, then drop those items. The very fact that you are debating Kell implicitly implies that it does matter. Kell isn't asking for you to change the entire character; he just wants a compromise. A moderation. So how's about we discuss some fair compromises?
Balance is a key necessity to any game; because why would a dm wish to tell a story where she either has to downgrade and let the pcs do whatever or she has to make it insanely difficult and kill off other pcs?
I think that you might be missing a key point to Kell's argument, which is the fact you guys have items that really don't go with your character and have no story behind it. A 30th level character geared directly to a domain should not be foiled by a mundane item. What I think Kell is trying to say is that it is no fun when the dm has to go out of his/her way to give a pc something to do.
For example: What if a pc was a black slaad. The black slaad has phenomenal everything. But not only that the have 4 tongues that in a full attack action is a ranged touch that deals on average 20d4. After the initial damage, 11 rounds thereafter the target will take half that. And the black slaad can do this every full attack action. Not only that factor in millions of gp worth of stat boosters and items. Many of you would be useless. How would that make you feel?
But let me put it to you another way. It's the difference between Superman and Batman. Superman is strong and when he gets to a building with no doors he simply throws his body into it. He's that strong. Superman is only moderately smart. And now let's discuss Batman. He has skills. The man is a ninja, rich, and super smart. But Superman can trump Batman in the fact that he's strong and damned near invicnible. The only reason Batman would win is because located in his utility belt is enough kryptonite to kill Superman. How is it reasonable to equate Superman to Batman? Superman hits thing and make them break. Batman is interesting, he has depth. He uses his super smarts, his gadget, and his skill of martial arts. He isn't a one trick pony.
And Wrahn, if didn't matter about balance, how's about you play a 10th level character? How's about you give Kell an inch or a compromise? Because then that would truly show that balance isn't a necessity. What is the point of playing if you are significantly weaker than any other character because they have equipped one or two items that trumps 30 levels of build? Nothing bypasses mind blank or true seeing. If balance isn't an issue, then drop those items. The very fact that you are debating Kell implicitly implies that it does matter. Kell isn't asking for you to change the entire character; he just wants a compromise. A moderation. So how's about we discuss some fair compromises?
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Kelleris-
A good story, in my opinion, is more important than balance, but I do believe balance is important. I think that you are being myopic (another good word that should be used more) about this, but I refuse to devolve into arguing about it after Isida asked us to stop.
But if you feel that strongly about, then perhaps the person you need to talk to is Isida.
A good story, in my opinion, is more important than balance, but I do believe balance is important. I think that you are being myopic (another good word that should be used more) about this, but I refuse to devolve into arguing about it after Isida asked us to stop.
But if you feel that strongly about, then perhaps the person you need to talk to is Isida.
Mad Hatter-
The point isn't that he is right or wrong. I refuse to argue it, because Isida asked us not to. Be considerate of others.
And this is the last I am going to post on the subject, because it is getting repetetive. If you want to talk to someone about it, talk to me.
The point isn't that he is right or wrong. I refuse to argue it, because Isida asked us not to. Be considerate of others.
And this is the last I am going to post on the subject, because it is getting repetetive. If you want to talk to someone about it, talk to me.
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