OOC - [Epic] Scions of the Endless Falls - Full

[Kangaxx]

Extreme? More like obscene! Naw, I don't mind too much, just follow the basic rules of my games in that you don't make the DM cry. I have to admit that one did make me a bit misty...

While we're on the topic of crying dms, I thought of something with Pilmer that's probably past that line, so I want to see what you think. I designed him expecting his primary means of attack to be using ray sneak attacks. So tonight I was looking through the spells available to see what good ranged touch spells I could use. Scorching Ray was the obvious best choice, with 3 sneak attacks for 1 2nd level spell. Then I looked in Tome and Blood... where there are spells such as Acid Orb that allow up to 15 attacks with a single spell. I like slaughtering stuff as much as the next guy, but 15 attacks for 13d6 damage each seems a bit excessive. So my first question is, is there some rule I overlooked that would prevent this from working? Secondly, assuming it does work, do you want house rule it somehow, or have me just ignore those spells when I fill Pilmer's spellbook?

 

[Serpenteye]

Serp,

You have to be a 20th level sorcerer to enter into Epic Sorcerer.

(I think that rule is in the errata, it may be in a Q&A, but it makes sense, you can't just jump 5 levels and go from 4 to 9 for instance, even if you are 9th level and the epic level sorcerer starts at 21st level)

I really hate these constant revisions. How is anyone supposed to keep up with the rules when they change all the time?
The rule might be reasonable when applied to characters with levels in other base classes, but the progression of the archmage is a continuation of the levels of the base-class (Wizard or Sorcerer). Can it really be their intention that epic classes are only accessible to single-classed characters? That utterly sucks.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, and I'm not attacking you, I'm just expressing my annoyance towards WoTC. I need those epic bonus feats, damnit.

Also, after looking at the Emacipated Spawn, it doesn't really fit the theme I was looking for, so would you mind choosing something else Serpenteye?

Huh? I'd play a Human Sorcerer/Archmage.

Buying down LA - yes.

How does that work?

 

[LazarusLong42]

SerpentEve--

Actually... I think he *is* wrong. You're a 20-th level sorcerer because of those Archmage levels. Of course, you're stuck with a familiar five levels below you... because that's such a deficit...

 

[Serpenteye]

SerpentEye--

Actually... I think he *is* wrong. You're a 20-th level sorcerer because of those Archmage levels. Of course, you're stuck with a familiar five levels below you... because that's such a deficit...

I hope so... Thanks

 

[Thanee]

So my first question is, is there some rule I overlooked that would prevent this from working?

Yes.

Secondly, assuming it does work, do you want house rule it somehow, or have me just ignore those spells when I fill Pilmer's spellbook?

Obsolete.

Bye
Thanee

P.S. Hey, you didn't ask what rule.

 

[Thanee]

I really hate these constant revisions. How is anyone supposed to keep up with the rules when they change all the time?

Can't say, that I'm an expert with epic stuff, but that rule was there from the beginning AFAIK. You can only go into an epic class, if you have maxed out the corresponding base class or PrC.

If you have a PrC, you are meant to continue with the epic progression of that class.

Now, of course 5 level PrC, like Archmage, not having any epic progression doesn't really help much in this case.

A simple and obvious solution would be to make a Sorcerer 6/Some Sorcerous PrC 10/Archmage 4/Epic Some Sorcrous PrC 10 for 30th level.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Wrahn]

The problem with Prestige classes is that they usually give less epic feats than the "pure" classes. However that is somewhat balanced by the fact the regular advancement sorcerer is kind of lame.

I feel your pain Serp, I really do. I looked high and low for that answer when I was making my epic wizard a while back. Ultimately I decided that I would only take a couple of levels of Archmage (of course we were playing 32nd level so I think it cost me a feat).

Let me see if I can dig up a link.

Edit

Okay, I think, if I remember correctly, that it is in the Epic FAQ. But it is a download and I am at work. Here is a link to the page where you can download it http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Okay, just checked out the half-fey template in the Fiend Folio, and I need to ask about some changes to it.

It grants -2 Con, +2 Wis, +2 Dex, and +4 Cha -> can I swap the bonus to Wis for a bonus to Int?

It also grants wings (double land movement, good maneuverability), and that's just not gonna work. I mean, what's the point of insane Jump, Climb, etc. if you have wings? So I'd like to drop those.

And what would it take to extend the spell-like abilities granted into epic levels? Maybe a custom epic feat?

You can drop the wings. Though I don't think I'm going to let the +2 Wis be a +2 Int. Fey creatures always seem more wise than scholarly. And how exactly did you want those spell-like abilities modified?

For the split-personality paladin, can I drop the wings on the half-celestial and half-fiend templates to drop their LA to +3?

That's fine with me.

I edited my character a bit, mostly in terms of items. Anyways, I think that I did my feats right. I pick one up for level 1 and every 3rd HD with the bonus one for druid level 24. It's just that the dryad is a LA +2 with 4 HD to start...leaving me with just 24 druid levels and a total of 28 HD.

Even so... wouldn't you get normal feats at level 20 and level 23? Not just your epic druid bonus, but the regular feats?

 

[Kangaxx]

Yes.


Obsolete.

Bye
Thanee

P.S. Hey, you didn't ask what rule.

How very.... helpful.

Perhaps you could be so kind as to tell me what this rule is and where to find it?

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Kanagaxx - I think it comes from the rule that no matter how many attacks you make in the round you're eligible for a sneak attack, only the first attack is sneaky. So if you have 15 orbs of acid, only the first gets the sneak attack damage, and the rest are normal.